Re: [ontolog-forum] Tighter control of ontolog forum?

["David C. Hay" <dch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

As one who is not qualified to respond to most of these postings, but who
has gotten a great deal from the list, may I make an observation about
this "failed" forum:

On Tuesday, there were 20 postings, in addition to the 21 on this
subject.
On Wednesday, there were 11, including one on this thread.
Today, as of 9:30 CST (3:30 GMT) there have already been 12 postings,
including 1 (ok, 2, with this one) on this thread.

The only other mailing list I participate in, on data management, has
maybe 1-2 postings a day.  Postings go up when times are harder and
more of the consultants are "on the bench".

Which leads me to ask (facetiously, you understand), don't any of you
people have jobs?

My only complaint about the list is that there is way more postings here
than I can actually read--especially since many of them require
considerable thought and consideration.

Please, keep it up!

Dave Hay


At 11:58 AM 1/27/2009, you wrote:

Not sure how much extra work this would create,

But there is a third option of having a sub-forum where things are vetted.

For example, right now we send to "ontolog-forum@..."  we could have an additional "ontolog-forum+vetted@..." where messages to the latter are indeed vetted.
If people find the general threads too much to wade through, they could set up a client side filter.

Alternatively, extending John's idea, messages could also be simply tagged after the fact (tho one would have to visit the forums @ ontolog for this type of filtering).

As it stands, there does seem to be a lot of "noise" that one has to wade through to get to interesting signals :P.

My three cents,
Ali

On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Azamat <abdoul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I can believe reading this.

Somebody pops up out of nowhere (or iphone), self-designating himself as

among "a serious ontology people", and giving unsolicting advices how to

bury the forum, which

mostly due to the policy of openness and tolerance held by its conveners,

particularly Peter Yim, is still alive and even booming unlike other

listings.

Re. SUO. Just because of making the outstanding concept a featured idea, it

is not a total loss. Sooner or latter, the project will be reanimated and

realized, here or there. What is clearly missing: a strong motivation added

with pooling resources of best ontologies.

----- Original Message -----

From: "Chris Welty" <cawelty@xxxxxxxxx>

To: "[ontolog-forum]" < ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 5:33 PM

Subject: [ontolog-forum] Tighter control of ontolog forum?

>

> As many of you have no doubt heard, Wikipedia, aggressive bastion of open

> collaboration, is strongly considering finally giving in and closing its

> editorial process somewhat.  The new model being proposed and supported by

> a

> majority of wikipedians, including its founder, is that anyone will be

> able to

> edit, but all edits (perhaps constrained to "all edits on higher traffic

> pages")

> will need to be approved by a "trusted" editor, of which there are many

> (thousands?).

>

> Pure openness was key to bootstrapping wikipedia's content, but now that

> it is

> among the most frequented and trusted web sites, it has become a common

> target

> of spam, pranks, and general maliciousness.

>

> I know there are many in ontolog who prefer a purely open forum, but I

> think the

> failure of SUO and the continuing nonsense in this forum - which make it

> the

> butt of many jokes and keeps a lot of otherwise serious ontology people

> away (I

> include myself in this category, you may argue with the "otherwise

> serious" bit)

>  - are evidence that the open model doesn't work here.

>

> This forum is not taken seriously because it is too open.  I suggest

> adopting a

> model like the one Wikipedia is considering, in which we establish a sort

> of

> active editorial board - a group of trusted moderators rather than just

> one, any

> of whom can approve a post and thus the flow of information will not be

> significantly slowed, power and control will not be in the hands of one

> person,

> and the quality will increase.

>

> --

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