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Re: [ontolog-forum] Tighter control of ontolog forum?

To: Jack Ring <jring@xxxxxxxx>, "[ontolog-forum]" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
From: Mike Bennett <mbennett@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 22:21:10 +0000
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In terms of what gets put up on to a more persistent knowledge base, I 
think it would also be uesful to map the references that people make. 
That would soon separate those whose utterances are based on published, 
peer reviewed work from those who are still working out how to operate a 
dictionary. I'm sure there must be techniques for this sort of mapping 
by now, but it would be interesting to apply it. It would make it easier 
to know who to ignore.    (01)

It would also be useful for those dipping in, as there are (at least in 
my industry) any number of consultants who make up their own meanings 
for even quite basic terms like taxonomy. Even if there may not be 
consensus for some of those terms, anyone coming to it cold would find 
it helpful to see (visually perhaps?) which definitions have links back 
into Peirce or Hegel or someone, and which definitions were invented 
yesterday.    (02)

Mike    (03)

Jack Ring wrote:
> An alternative to democracy and to governance by the few is the current 
> interest in collective intelligence. For this forum it could be as simple as 
> providing a way for participants to tag each post according to, e.g., 
> Prediction of a) Relevance, b) Novelty, c) Utility (on a thread), and d) 
> Demeanor. Anonymous stats posted by name of author  each week and cumulative 
> for a 12 month sliding window. Likewise, profile posted by name of assessor 
> each week and cumulative for a 12 month window.  Gives opportunity for 
> retrospective research as well.
> Jack Ring
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Chris Welty" <cawelty@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: "[ontolog-forum]" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:33 AM
> Subject: [ontolog-forum] Tighter control of ontolog forum?
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>> As many of you have no doubt heard, Wikipedia, aggressive bastion of open
>> collaboration, is strongly considering finally giving in and closing its
>> editorial process somewhat.  The new model being proposed and supported by 
>> a
>> majority of wikipedians, including its founder, is that anyone will be 
>> able to
>> edit, but all edits (perhaps constrained to "all edits on higher traffic 
>> pages")
>> will need to be approved by a "trusted" editor, of which there are many
>> (thousands?).
>>
>> Pure openness was key to bootstrapping wikipedia's content, but now that 
>> it is
>> among the most frequented and trusted web sites, it has become a common 
>> target
>> of spam, pranks, and general maliciousness.
>>
>> I know there are many in ontolog who prefer a purely open forum, but I 
>> think the
>> failure of SUO and the continuing nonsense in this forum - which make it 
>> the
>> butt of many jokes and keeps a lot of otherwise serious ontology people 
>> away (I
>> include myself in this category, you may argue with the "otherwise 
>> serious" bit)
>>  - are evidence that the open model doesn't work here.
>>
>> This forum is not taken seriously because it is too open.  I suggest 
>> adopting a
>> model like the one Wikipedia is considering, in which we establish a sort 
>> of
>> active editorial board - a group of trusted moderators rather than just 
>> one, any
>> of whom can approve a post and thus the flow of information will not be
>> significantly slowed, power and control will not be in the hands of one 
>> person,
>> and the quality will increase.
>>
>> -- 
>> Dr. Christopher A. Welty                    IBM Watson Research Center
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