OK. No more strong criticism, justified or provoked.
This thread went astray as the MCO.
There are much more engaging subjects and problems awaiting the community. (01)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ryan Kohl" <kohl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "[ontolog-forum]" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] ISO merged ontology effort "MCO" (02)
> Azamat seems to be right - an ad hominem argument would be of the form
> "Statement X is true/false because person Y said Z"
> Suggesting that somebody is a hypocrite or inconsistent has the form
> "Person X is Y"
> So the latter doesn't indeed seem to be ad hominem. Rather, it has the
> form of a personal attack, or slander.
>
>> Mike,
>> I hate any ad hominem argument, in any forms. The point was: if somebody
>> is
>> a scholar, not a politician, the actions must be consistent with his
>> thoughts.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Bennett" <mbennett@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: "[ontolog-forum]" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 7:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] ISO merged ontology effort "MCO"
>>
>>
>>
>>> That's very ad hominem. I think I will follow up the idea of selectively
>>> marking messages from those who prefer to attack the motivation or
>>> person rather than the substance. If you have anything interesting to
>>> say in the future, I for one probably won't see it.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> Azamat wrote:
>>>
>>>> The same person actively arguing against any possibility of standard
>>>> ontology at the same time pushing a US Army baked "semantic
>>>> foundations" as an ISO standard.
>>>> A case of double personality? "A person having two minds and when they
>>>> are in the next state or character they don't know about their
>>>> previous stage." Or just hypocrisy?
>>>>
>>>> O tempora o mores!
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> *From:* Pat Hayes <mailto:phayes@xxxxxxx>
>>>> *To:* edbark@xxxxxxxx <mailto:edbark@xxxxxxxx> ; [ontolog-forum]
>>>> <mailto:ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, April 17, 2009 5:45 PM
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [ontolog-forum] ISO merged ontology effort "MCO"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 13, 2009, at 5:07 PM, Ed Barkmeyer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Patrick Cassidy wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> FYI: Result of 'MCO' study on a standard upper ontology:
>>>>>> Proposal not adopted.
>>>>>> The issue is still important, and I would suggest we continue
>>>>>> this thread
>>>>>> for a while.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pat
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doc No: 2N1854
>>>>>> Replaces: --
>>>>>> Doc Type: Summary of voting/Table of Replies
>>>>>> Date: 2009-04-12
>>>>>> Title: Summary of Voting on 32N1833 Request for SC32/WG2
>>>>>> study period
>>>>>> on standardized concept systems and semantic descriptions for
>>>>>> merged core
>>>>>> ontology (MCO) as proposed in 32N1807 Due Date: -
>>>>>> Pages: 3
>>>>>> Source: SC32 Secretariat
>>>>>> Project: 1.32.02
>>>>>> Status: proposed SC32 resolution is not adopted due to
>>>>>> insufficient
>>>>>> number of P-members voting (JTC1 Directives, 9.1.10)
>>>>>> Action: FYI
>>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, Pat.
>>>>> Interestingly, the proposal was defeated by lack of quorum -- too
>>>>> few
>>>>> national bodies sent in their ballots. That suggests that there
>>>>> is
>>>>> little interest in such a standard. Another tempest in a teapot.
>>>>>
>>>> Now this has died the death, I can with a clear conscience reveal
>>>> that the initiative for this ISO merging of merged upper
>>>> ontologies came from the US Army, in the person of Jim Schoening,
>>>> who has been active in promoting "Upper" ontologies for some time
>>>> now (including the granddaddy of them, SUMO).
>>>>
>>>> The motivation, among US Government agencies, for seeking ISO
>>>> certification, is not to establish a New World Order that all must
>>>> obey, or indeed to impose upon anyone else in any way at all. It
>>>> is simply that there is a broad Government mandate to use ISO
>>>> standards where possible, so that anything that has achieved ISO
>>>> standardization status is easier to get funded, easier to get
>>>> supported and easier to "sell" to other agencies. ISO
>>>> standardization, amazingly enough, is a potent aid towards
>>>> achieving interoperability /within/ the US government, as well as
>>>> outside it.
>>>>
>>>> Pat Hayes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> -Ed
>>>>>
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