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Re: [ontolog-forum] ISO merged ontology effort "MCO"

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From: Mike Bennett <mbennett@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 17:34:45 +0100
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That's very ad hominem. I think I will follow up the idea of selectively 
marking messages from those who prefer to attack the motivation or 
person rather than the substance. If you have anything interesting to 
say in the future, I for one probably won't see it.    (01)

Mike    (02)

Azamat wrote:
> The same person actively arguing against any possibility of standard 
> ontology at the same time pushing a US Army baked "semantic 
> foundations" as an ISO standard.
> A case of double personality? "A person having two minds and when they 
> are in the next state or character they don't know about their 
> previous stage." Or just hypocrisy?
>  
> O tempora o mores!
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Pat Hayes <mailto:phayes@xxxxxxx>
>     *To:* edbark@xxxxxxxx <mailto:edbark@xxxxxxxx> ; [ontolog-forum]
>     <mailto:ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>     *Sent:* Friday, April 17, 2009 5:45 PM
>     *Subject:* Re: [ontolog-forum] ISO merged ontology effort "MCO"
>
>
>     On Apr 13, 2009, at 5:07 PM, Ed Barkmeyer wrote:
>
>>     Patrick Cassidy wrote:
>>>     FYI: Result of 'MCO' study on  a standard upper ontology:
>>>     Proposal not adopted.
>>>     The issue is still important, and I would suggest we continue
>>>     this thread
>>>     for a while.
>>>
>>>     Pat
>>>
>>>     Doc No:   2N1854
>>>     Replaces: --
>>>     Doc Type: Summary of voting/Table of Replies
>>>     Date:     2009-04-12
>>>     Title:    Summary of Voting on 32N1833 Request for SC32/WG2
>>>     study period
>>>     on standardized concept systems and semantic descriptions for
>>>     merged core
>>>     ontology (MCO) as proposed in 32N1807 Due Date: -
>>>     Pages:    3
>>>     Source:   SC32 Secretariat
>>>     Project:  1.32.02
>>>     Status:   proposed SC32 resolution is not adopted due to
>>>     insufficient
>>>     number of  P-members voting (JTC1 Directives, 9.1.10)
>>>     Action:   FYI
>>
>>     Thanks, Pat.
>>     Interestingly, the proposal was defeated by lack of quorum -- too
>>     few
>>     national bodies sent in their ballots.  That suggests that there is
>>     little interest in such a standard.  Another tempest in a teapot.
>
>     Now this has died the death, I can with a clear conscience reveal
>     that the initiative for this ISO merging of merged upper
>     ontologies came from the US Army, in the person of Jim Schoening,
>     who has been active in promoting "Upper" ontologies for some time
>     now (including the granddaddy of them, SUMO). 
>
>     The motivation, among US Government agencies, for seeking ISO
>     certification, is not to establish a New World Order that all must
>     obey, or indeed to impose upon anyone else in any way at all. It
>     is simply that there is a broad Government mandate to use ISO
>     standards where possible, so that anything that has achieved ISO
>     standardization status is easier to get funded, easier to get
>     supported and easier to "sell" to other agencies. ISO
>     standardization, amazingly enough, is a potent aid towards
>     achieving interoperability /within/ the US government, as well as
>     outside it. 
>
>     Pat Hayes
>
>>
>>     -Ed
>>
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