Azamat seems to be right - an ad hominem argument would be of the form
"Statement X is true/false because person Y said Z"
Suggesting that somebody is a hypocrite or inconsistent has the form
"Person X is Y"
So the latter doesn't indeed seem to be ad hominem. Rather, it has the
form of a personal attack, or slander. (01)
> Mike,
> I hate any ad hominem argument, in any forms. The point was: if somebody is
> a scholar, not a politician, the actions must be consistent with his
> thoughts.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Bennett" <mbennett@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "[ontolog-forum]" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 7:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] ISO merged ontology effort "MCO"
>
>
>
>> That's very ad hominem. I think I will follow up the idea of selectively
>> marking messages from those who prefer to attack the motivation or
>> person rather than the substance. If you have anything interesting to
>> say in the future, I for one probably won't see it.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Azamat wrote:
>>
>>> The same person actively arguing against any possibility of standard
>>> ontology at the same time pushing a US Army baked "semantic
>>> foundations" as an ISO standard.
>>> A case of double personality? "A person having two minds and when they
>>> are in the next state or character they don't know about their
>>> previous stage." Or just hypocrisy?
>>>
>>> O tempora o mores!
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> *From:* Pat Hayes <mailto:phayes@xxxxxxx>
>>> *To:* edbark@xxxxxxxx <mailto:edbark@xxxxxxxx> ; [ontolog-forum]
>>> <mailto:ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, April 17, 2009 5:45 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [ontolog-forum] ISO merged ontology effort "MCO"
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 13, 2009, at 5:07 PM, Ed Barkmeyer wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Patrick Cassidy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> FYI: Result of 'MCO' study on a standard upper ontology:
>>>>> Proposal not adopted.
>>>>> The issue is still important, and I would suggest we continue
>>>>> this thread
>>>>> for a while.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pat
>>>>>
>>>>> Doc No: 2N1854
>>>>> Replaces: --
>>>>> Doc Type: Summary of voting/Table of Replies
>>>>> Date: 2009-04-12
>>>>> Title: Summary of Voting on 32N1833 Request for SC32/WG2
>>>>> study period
>>>>> on standardized concept systems and semantic descriptions for
>>>>> merged core
>>>>> ontology (MCO) as proposed in 32N1807 Due Date: -
>>>>> Pages: 3
>>>>> Source: SC32 Secretariat
>>>>> Project: 1.32.02
>>>>> Status: proposed SC32 resolution is not adopted due to
>>>>> insufficient
>>>>> number of P-members voting (JTC1 Directives, 9.1.10)
>>>>> Action: FYI
>>>>>
>>>> Thanks, Pat.
>>>> Interestingly, the proposal was defeated by lack of quorum -- too
>>>> few
>>>> national bodies sent in their ballots. That suggests that there is
>>>> little interest in such a standard. Another tempest in a teapot.
>>>>
>>> Now this has died the death, I can with a clear conscience reveal
>>> that the initiative for this ISO merging of merged upper
>>> ontologies came from the US Army, in the person of Jim Schoening,
>>> who has been active in promoting "Upper" ontologies for some time
>>> now (including the granddaddy of them, SUMO).
>>>
>>> The motivation, among US Government agencies, for seeking ISO
>>> certification, is not to establish a New World Order that all must
>>> obey, or indeed to impose upon anyone else in any way at all. It
>>> is simply that there is a broad Government mandate to use ISO
>>> standards where possible, so that anything that has achieved ISO
>>> standardization status is easier to get funded, easier to get
>>> supported and easier to "sell" to other agencies. ISO
>>> standardization, amazingly enough, is a potent aid towards
>>> achieving interoperability /within/ the US government, as well as
>>> outside it.
>>>
>>> Pat Hayes
>>>
>>>
>>>> -Ed
>>>>
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