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Re: [ontolog-forum] ISO merged ontology effort "MCO"

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From: "Azamat" <abdoul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 20:52:47 +0300
Message-id: <00d001c9bf85$51a0ad50$a104810a@homepc>
Mike,
I hate any ad hominem argument, in any forms. The point was: if somebody is 
a scholar, not a politician, the actions must be consistent with his 
thoughts.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Bennett" <mbennett@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "[ontolog-forum]" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] ISO merged ontology effort "MCO"    (01)


> That's very ad hominem. I think I will follow up the idea of selectively
> marking messages from those who prefer to attack the motivation or
> person rather than the substance. If you have anything interesting to
> say in the future, I for one probably won't see it.
>
> Mike
>
> Azamat wrote:
>> The same person actively arguing against any possibility of standard
>> ontology at the same time pushing a US Army baked "semantic
>> foundations" as an ISO standard.
>> A case of double personality? "A person having two minds and when they
>> are in the next state or character they don't know about their
>> previous stage." Or just hypocrisy?
>>
>> O tempora o mores!
>>
>>     ----- Original Message -----
>>     *From:* Pat Hayes <mailto:phayes@xxxxxxx>
>>     *To:* edbark@xxxxxxxx <mailto:edbark@xxxxxxxx> ; [ontolog-forum]
>>     <mailto:ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>     *Sent:* Friday, April 17, 2009 5:45 PM
>>     *Subject:* Re: [ontolog-forum] ISO merged ontology effort "MCO"
>>
>>
>>     On Apr 13, 2009, at 5:07 PM, Ed Barkmeyer wrote:
>>
>>>     Patrick Cassidy wrote:
>>>>     FYI: Result of 'MCO' study on  a standard upper ontology:
>>>>     Proposal not adopted.
>>>>     The issue is still important, and I would suggest we continue
>>>>     this thread
>>>>     for a while.
>>>>
>>>>     Pat
>>>>
>>>>     Doc No:   2N1854
>>>>     Replaces: --
>>>>     Doc Type: Summary of voting/Table of Replies
>>>>     Date:     2009-04-12
>>>>     Title:    Summary of Voting on 32N1833 Request for SC32/WG2
>>>>     study period
>>>>     on standardized concept systems and semantic descriptions for
>>>>     merged core
>>>>     ontology (MCO) as proposed in 32N1807 Due Date: -
>>>>     Pages:    3
>>>>     Source:   SC32 Secretariat
>>>>     Project:  1.32.02
>>>>     Status:   proposed SC32 resolution is not adopted due to
>>>>     insufficient
>>>>     number of  P-members voting (JTC1 Directives, 9.1.10)
>>>>     Action:   FYI
>>>
>>>     Thanks, Pat.
>>>     Interestingly, the proposal was defeated by lack of quorum -- too
>>>     few
>>>     national bodies sent in their ballots.  That suggests that there is
>>>     little interest in such a standard.  Another tempest in a teapot.
>>
>>     Now this has died the death, I can with a clear conscience reveal
>>     that the initiative for this ISO merging of merged upper
>>     ontologies came from the US Army, in the person of Jim Schoening,
>>     who has been active in promoting "Upper" ontologies for some time
>>     now (including the granddaddy of them, SUMO).
>>
>>     The motivation, among US Government agencies, for seeking ISO
>>     certification, is not to establish a New World Order that all must
>>     obey, or indeed to impose upon anyone else in any way at all. It
>>     is simply that there is a broad Government mandate to use ISO
>>     standards where possible, so that anything that has achieved ISO
>>     standardization status is easier to get funded, easier to get
>>     supported and easier to "sell" to other agencies. ISO
>>     standardization, amazingly enough, is a potent aid towards
>>     achieving interoperability /within/ the US government, as well as
>>     outside it.
>>
>>     Pat Hayes
>>
>>>
>>>     -Ed
>>>
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