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Re: [ontolog-forum] standard ontology

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From: "Patrick Cassidy" <pat@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 15:34:07 -0500
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Don,
  I agree that initial adoption outside of the user community created by
funding the initial project is likely to be slow, until some publicly
testable interesting applications are developed.  My best guess is that some
degree of language understanding will the first application to pique
interest.  When it becomes clear that ontologies are useful locally, and
even more useful to enable semantic interoperability, I would expect an
accelerating pace of adoption, helped by utilities, books on the topic,
university IT departments starting to teach the technique, etc.    (01)

I don't know how long all this will take, but I do feel confident that by
not directly creating  an FO with a wide user community, the achievement of
semantic interoperability will be a lot slower.    (02)

Pat    (03)

Patrick Cassidy
MICRA, Inc.
908-561-3416
cell: 908-565-4053
cassidy@xxxxxxxxx    (04)


> -----Original Message-----
> From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ontolog-forum-
> bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Conklin, Don
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 3:07 PM
> To: [ontolog-forum]
> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] standard ontology
> 
> Commercial organizations do not typically look much beyond the next
> fiscal quarter. The FO would have to offer immediate financial benefit
> to gain funding support. Aside from the various objections to the FO,
> even if one were to appear, its adoption would proceed at a glacial
> pace. This is because the legions of ontology developers don't yet
> exist
> to apply the technology to the domains the corporations work in
> (biomedical and certain government orgs excepted). Also, the supporting
> applications and products are not known or trusted by the commercial
> world. (Let's not quibble about some vendors that claim semantic
> capabilities.) No one, especially corporations, are eager to step away
> from millions already invested in COTS solutions that work today. The
> large figures of savings quoted in  earlier emails boil down to much
> smaller figures for individual companies. Show my company how the FO
> will save them millions in the next two-three quarters without adverse
> impact and they might express interest.
> 
> Don Conklin
> Lockheed Martin, ISGS-Defense
> Virginia Beach, VA
> 1+757-675-5947
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Patrick
> Cassidy
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 2:12 PM
> To: edbark@xxxxxxxx; '[ontolog-forum] '
> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] standard ontology
> 
> >
> > Patrick Cassidy wrote:
> >
> > > What do you think that people *would* use that would provide them
> > accurate
> > > semantic interoperability?
> >
> > The ontology they developed.
> >
> > -Ed
> >
> > --
> > Edward J. Barkmeyer                        Email: edbark@xxxxxxxx
> [[PC]] If that is the case, then you are asserting that the only people
> who
> would use a FO for interoperability are those who participate in its
> development.  I agree that that is what is true **at the present time**,
> and
> that is the reason that a user community can only be developed quickly
> by
> funding it.  Over time, after publicly available applications
> demonstrate
> its utility, I would then expect it to attract users who did not
> participate
> in its development.
> 
> Without funding an FO community, I expect we will get a widely used FO
> eventually, but only after having wasted many billions in efficiency
> loss,
> and spent even more than 30M trying less functional alternatives.
> 
> Pat
> 
> 
> Patrick Cassidy
> MICRA, Inc.
> 908-561-3416
> cell: 908-565-4053
> cassidy@xxxxxxxxx
> 
> 
> 
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