Hi Don, (01)
Agreed. Commercial use of an ontology would have to pay for itself in a
short term scenario - two quarters sounds a tiny bit fast, but probably
within a one fiscal year budget, or at most a two fiscal year budget. (02)
That is why I favor a very small ontology like Ian's FO, even without the
axioms (especially without the axioms to begin with). Once people are able
to identify the fundamental objects within a database in a standardized way,
they will be able to track financial gain from using OE on an incremental
basis, so next quarter maybe we can add valuable function X at a cost of Y
due to use of a SLIGHTLY expanded ontology. (03)
Its much easier to propose and manage small projects than large ones. A
small and simple fundamental ontology would make that easier to justify. (04)
-Rich (05)
Sincerely,
Rich Cooper
EnglishLogicKernel.com
Rich AT EnglishLogicKernel DOT com (06)
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Commercial organizations do not typically look much beyond the next
fiscal quarter. The FO would have to offer immediate financial benefit
to gain funding support. Aside from the various objections to the FO,
even if one were to appear, its adoption would proceed at a glacial
pace. This is because the legions of ontology developers don't yet exist
to apply the technology to the domains the corporations work in
(biomedical and certain government orgs excepted). Also, the supporting
applications and products are not known or trusted by the commercial
world. (Let's not quibble about some vendors that claim semantic
capabilities.) No one, especially corporations, are eager to step away
from millions already invested in COTS solutions that work today. The
large figures of savings quoted in earlier emails boil down to much
smaller figures for individual companies. Show my company how the FO
will save them millions in the next two-three quarters without adverse
impact and they might express interest. (08)
Don Conklin
Lockheed Martin, ISGS-Defense
Virginia Beach, VA
1+757-675-5947 (09)
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[mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Patrick
Cassidy
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To: edbark@xxxxxxxx; '[ontolog-forum] '
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] standard ontology (010)
>
> Patrick Cassidy wrote:
>
> > What do you think that people *would* use that would provide them
> accurate
> > semantic interoperability?
>
> The ontology they developed.
>
> -Ed
>
> --
> Edward J. Barkmeyer Email: edbark@xxxxxxxx
[[PC]] If that is the case, then you are asserting that the only people
who
would use a FO for interoperability are those who participate in its
development. I agree that that is what is true **at the present time**,
and
that is the reason that a user community can only be developed quickly
by
funding it. Over time, after publicly available applications
demonstrate
its utility, I would then expect it to attract users who did not
participate
in its development. (011)
Without funding an FO community, I expect we will get a widely used FO
eventually, but only after having wasted many billions in efficiency
loss,
and spent even more than 30M trying less functional alternatives. (012)
Pat (013)
Patrick Cassidy
MICRA, Inc.
908-561-3416
cell: 908-565-4053
cassidy@xxxxxxxxx (014)
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