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Re: [ontolog-forum] The "qua-entities" paradigm

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From: "Rich Cooper" <metasemantics@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 07:38:40 -0700
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Dear Matthew,

 

So you are saying that the identity of sand depends on your perspective, on the problem you are solving, or on the goals you set.  One grain of sand *could* have its own identity, but only if you are interested in tracking all the grains of sand in your context. 

 

Yet I can identify sand in 20 pound bags with one identifier - the one on the sand bag. 

 

Did I get your meaning right, Matthew, i.e., it all depends on your own personal perspective, which states how you view the sand. 

 

Thanks!

 

Sincerely,

Rich Cooper,

Rich Cooper,

 

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Dear Rich,

Each grain of sand exists in the real world and has identity, whether or not you are interested in them. That is something entirely different. A handful of sand is also something that exists in the real world (the aggregate of the grains of sand whilst they are in your hand) and whether you care about that is also a different question.

 

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[mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rich Cooper

Sent: 17 June 2015 06:49

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Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] The "qua-entities" paradigm

 

Are you saying that identity must *always* be *unique*?  I can identify a handful of sand at the beach without assigning an identity to each grain.

All grains look the same to me, therefore all sand has the same identity, so I treat it as a unitless object, and the best I can do to subdivide it is to organize it into specific volumes, weights and prices.

 

Sincerely,

Rich Cooper,

 

Chief Technology Officer,

MetaSemantics Corporation

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[mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John F Sowa

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On 6/17/2015 1:12 AM, Rich Cooper wrote:

> you could say that the ID is the concatenated value of all

properties

 

I was trying to explain that similarity is observable, but identity is always an inference.

 

It's irrelevant how you represent the properties or what conventions you adopt for storing information about them.

 

You still have to observe the patterns before you can *infer* whether or not they determine a unique item.

 

John

 

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