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Re: [ontolog-forum] The "qua-entities" paradigm

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From: "Matthew West" <dr.matthew.west@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 10:25:38 +0100
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Dear Rich,
Each grain of sand exists in the real world and has identity, whether or not
you are interested in them. That is something entirely different. A handful
of sand is also something that exists in the real world (the aggregate of
the grains of sand whilst they are in your hand) and whether you care about
that is also a different question.    (01)

Regards    (02)

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[mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rich Cooper
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Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] The "qua-entities" paradigm    (04)

Are you saying that identity must *always* be *unique*?  I can identify a
handful of sand at the beach without assigning an identity to each grain.
All grains look the same to me, therefore all sand has the same identity, so
I treat it as a unitless object, and the best I can do to subdivide it is to
organize it into specific volumes, weights and prices.    (05)

Sincerely,
Rich Cooper,    (06)

Chief Technology Officer,
MetaSemantics Corporation
MetaSemantics AT EnglishLogicKernel DOT com ( 9 4 9 ) 5 2 5-5 7 1 2
http://www.EnglishLogicKernel.com    (07)


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John F Sowa
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 10:30 PM
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Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] The "qua-entities" paradigm    (08)

On 6/17/2015 1:12 AM, Rich Cooper wrote:
> you could say that the ID is the concatenated value of all
properties    (09)

I was trying to explain that similarity is observable, but identity is
always an inference.    (010)

It's irrelevant how you represent the properties or what conventions you
adopt for storing information about them.    (011)

You still have to observe the patterns before you can *infer* whether or not
they determine a unique item.    (012)

John    (013)

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