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Re: [ontolog-forum] The "qua-entities" paradigm

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From: Alexander Titov <av_titov@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 11:42:21 +0100
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An identity - as a specific classification of a thing in a such way that the 
correspondent class has one and only one member?    (01)

And I think that an identity seriously depends on a viewpoint and an observer 
who/which makes that identity ‘classification’.    (02)

Regards,
Alex
> On 17 Jun 2015, at 10:25, Matthew West <dr.matthew.west@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> Dear Rich,
> Each grain of sand exists in the real world and has identity, whether or not
> you are interested in them. That is something entirely different. A handful
> of sand is also something that exists in the real world (the aggregate of
> the grains of sand whilst they are in your hand) and whether you care about
> that is also a different question.
> 
> Regards
> 
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> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rich Cooper
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> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] The "qua-entities" paradigm
> 
> Are you saying that identity must *always* be *unique*?  I can identify a
> handful of sand at the beach without assigning an identity to each grain.
> All grains look the same to me, therefore all sand has the same identity, so
> I treat it as a unitless object, and the best I can do to subdivide it is to
> organize it into specific volumes, weights and prices.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Rich Cooper,
> 
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> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John F Sowa
> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 10:30 PM
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> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] The "qua-entities" paradigm
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> On 6/17/2015 1:12 AM, Rich Cooper wrote:
>> you could say that the ID is the concatenated value of all
> properties
> 
> I was trying to explain that similarity is observable, but identity is
> always an inference.
> 
> It's irrelevant how you represent the properties or what conventions you
> adopt for storing information about them.
> 
> You still have to observe the patterns before you can *infer* whether or not
> they determine a unique item.
> 
> John
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