On Jun 17, 2015, at 11:39 AM, Rich Cooper
<metasemantics@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: (01)
> Thanks Pat,
>
> for explaining your take on the idea, but we differ again on this issue.
>Maybe if we keep this up another fifteen years, we will agree on something.
>(:->)
>
> PH: NO, Rich, that is EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of what Matthew said. Did you
>actually read his words? He said that the identity of each grain of sand is IN
>THE REAL WORLD, WHETHER OR NOT YOU ARE INTERESTED IN IT. He did not say that
>it depends upon your perspective. You and your perspective could cease to
>exist, and the grains of sand would still be real, in the real world, with
>their identities intact. The identities of things in the real world do not
>depend upon your or anyone else's perspectives upon them. They are, you see,
>REAL.
>
> RC: I find the view that something exists without someone to experience it
>unsatisfyingly theoretical, Pat. (02)
I was not trying to convince you of anything, nor expressing "my take". I was
making the point that you had completely misquoted, or misunderstood, what
Matthew actually SAID. Whether you agree with what he said is another question
altogether, and one I am not particularly interested in; but unless you
actually understand what others are saying, there is little point in debating
with them. (03)
Pat
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