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Re: [ontolog-forum] The "qua-entities" paradigm

To: Rich Cooper <metasemantics@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "[ontolog-forum]" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
From: Pat Hayes <phayes@xxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 18:29:08 -0700
Message-id: <676449BE-A882-43CA-8014-E0B386508451@xxxxxxx>

On Jun 17, 2015, at 11:39 AM, Rich Cooper 
<metasemantics@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:    (01)

> Thanks Pat,
>  
> for explaining your take on the idea, but we differ again on this issue.  
>Maybe if we keep this up another fifteen years, we will agree on something.  
>(:->)
>  
> PH: NO, Rich, that is EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of what Matthew said. Did you 
>actually read his words? He said that the identity of each grain of sand is IN 
>THE REAL WORLD, WHETHER OR NOT YOU ARE INTERESTED IN IT. He did not say that 
>it depends upon your perspective. You and your perspective could cease to 
>exist, and the grains of sand would still be real, in the real world, with 
>their identities intact. The identities of things in the real world do not 
>depend upon your or anyone else's perspectives upon them. They are, you see, 
>REAL.
>  
> RC: I find the view that something exists without someone to experience it 
>unsatisfyingly theoretical, Pat.    (02)

I was not trying to convince you of anything, nor expressing "my take". I was 
making the point that you had completely misquoted, or misunderstood, what 
Matthew actually SAID. Whether you agree with what he said is another question 
altogether, and one I am not particularly interested in; but unless you 
actually understand what others are saying, there is little point in debating 
with them.    (03)

Pat
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