Chris,
I am not in the business of data mining.I used to do content analysis and I
have been involved in systems and daat base design with very early and
still valid results before the Windows era. But that is not important. I am
linguist who is trying to explain that semantic analysis as done by
practitioners of formal logic and designers of ontologies is incorrect from
a semantic and pragmatic point of view. I am not inetersted in the
implementation side either, because the solutions offered are built on an
infrastructure that is far too wasful. I am trying to advocate LEAN thinking
in this field or application research. As afar as our sncing is concerned, I
revert to that a little later.
Best
F (01)
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> Hmmm, Ferenc, maybe some words of warning for now:
>
> In my last paragraph below I noted the further potential for data
> mining, but that is only a very minor part of what I mean by
> top-down/bottom-up processes. Worse, perhaps, from your point of
> view, it is not where the main qualitative impact will be from the
> spread of MACK. At risk of causing further confusion at this
> stage, I might add that I have always valued appropriateness of
> concept over any kind of merely statistical connection.
>
> But I still eagerly look forward to the outcome your synchronizing
> processes!
>
> Christopher
>
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> Chris, I think I should try to synchronize with you as many of
> ideas
> presented I share but call a different name.
> Will elaborate on that soon.
> Thanks a lot
> Ferenc
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>> Ferenc, thanks for all the further good comment.
>>
>>> I believe the big issue is how to connect common knowledge of
>>> whatever representation since we seem to have a narrow
>>> bandwidth
>>> of keeping track of long sequences of information.
>>
>> Levels of abstraction are the basis of MACK's systematic
>> approach
>> to that problem, particularly how they fit in with the "join"
>> concept as I introduced it from this point
>> http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/2008-03/msg00249.html#nid039
>> in the 3rd instalment of my "MACK basics" series. "Composition"
>> is another name often used for it, but I prefer the graphic or
>> ERD
>> word with its RDB meaning and associations.
>>
>> A more immediately relevant aspect is in this paragraph from a
>> slightly later post by me:
>> http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/2008-03/msg00254.html#nid019.
>> (But don't follow up now on the unfulfilled promise in its last
>> sentence!)
>>
>> Another major approach to your problem, so central as the
>> problem
>> is, concerns what I hesitantly call its UDDI- or WSDL-like
>> functionality, as part of the whole market scene. I say
>> "hesitantly" because (1) those specific facilities/languages are
>> far from being great advertisements for any concept, (2) their
>> notion of component architecture needs throwing out, lock, stock
>> and barrel, and, more centrally, (3) their conception of the
>> nature of the market is not pitched right from epistemological
>> or
>> ontological points of view. (Sorry not to go into more detail
>> on
>> that now!)
>>
>> To generalize, though, it is the integration of the market and
>> component aspects of MACK as a philosophically-founded
>> architecture which will bring about the foreseeable quantum leap
>> of intuitive and agile functionality over those of traditional
>> Web
>> Search and Web Services.
>>
>>> It is not by chance for example that a forum on cognitive
>>> linguisics cals for papers on the relations between cognitive
>>> systems, their modular nature and interfaces. Therefore
>>> products
>>> that help connect various modalities of knowledge
>>> representations, even befote they are structured at an
>>> elementary level seem to be a winner: http://prezi.com/
>>
>> Google |metaset artificial creativity| to be pointed to my
>> reluctant but still chosen use of a controversial phrase in the
>> past. (Follow my 2 links above to see how I also refer to it as
>> "Koestler creativity".)
>>
>> But Ferenc, you seem to have a background in data mining, so you
>> will surely love this forthcoming platform, and how it will help
>> expedite the whole top-down/bottom-up process of creative
>> discovery and invention!
>>
>> Christopher
>>
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