Ferenc Kovacs wrote:
I am not interested in the implementation side either,
because the solutions offered are built on an infrastructure that is far too
wasteful. I am trying to advocate LEAN thinking in this field or application
research.
Exactly!!!
The subjective bias of observers gets clouded over in a mereologically
two dimensional space (like the cortex does). But taking the top instance
of each subtype for each slot is not an adequate answer either. It's one
of the high valued slots, such that said high valued slot includes a complete solution
subtree that supports the evaluation.
Sincerely,
Rich Cooper
EnglishLogicKernel.com
Rich AT EnglishLogicKernel DOT com
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Chris,
I am not in the business of data mining.I used to do content analysis
and I
have been involved in systems and daat base design with very
early and
still valid results before the Windows era. But that is not important.
I am
linguist who is trying to explain that semantic analysis as done by
practitioners of formal logic and designers of ontologies is incorrect
from
a semantic and pragmatic point of view. I am not inetersted in the
implementation side either, because the solutions offered are built on
an
infrastructure that is far too wasful. I am trying to advocate LEAN
thinking
in this field or application research. As afar as our sncing is concerned,
I
revert to that a little later.
Best
F
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> Hmmm, Ferenc, maybe some words of warning for now:
>
> In my last paragraph below I noted the further potential for data
> mining, but that is only a very minor part of what I mean by
> top-down/bottom-up processes. Worse, perhaps, from your
point of
> view, it is not where the main qualitative impact will be from the
> spread of MACK. At risk of causing further confusion at this
> stage, I might add that I have always valued appropriateness of
> concept over any kind of merely statistical connection.
>
> But I still eagerly look forward to the outcome your synchronizing
> processes!
>
> Christopher
>
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>
> Chris, I think I should try to synchronize with you as many of
> ideas
> presented I share but call a different name.
> Will elaborate on that soon.
> Thanks a lot
> Ferenc
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>> Ferenc, thanks for all the further good comment.
>>
>>> I believe the big issue is how to connect common knowledge
of
>>> whatever representation since we seem to have a narrow
>>> bandwidth
>>> of keeping track of long sequences of information.
>>
>> Levels of abstraction are the basis of MACK's systematic
>> approach
>> to that problem, particularly how they fit in with the
"join"
>> concept as I introduced it from this point
>>
http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/2008-03/msg00249.html#nid039
>> in the 3rd instalment of my "MACK basics"
series. "Composition"
>> is another name often used for it, but I prefer the graphic or
>> ERD
>> word with its RDB meaning and associations.
>>
>> A more immediately relevant aspect is in this paragraph from a
>> slightly later post by me:
>> http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/2008-03/msg00254.html#nid019.
>> (But don't follow up now on the unfulfilled promise in its
last
>> sentence!)
>>
>> Another major approach to your problem, so central as the
>> problem
>> is, concerns what I hesitantly call its UDDI- or WSDL-like
>> functionality, as part of the whole market scene. I say
>> "hesitantly" because (1) those specific
facilities/languages are
>> far from being great advertisements for any concept, (2) their
>> notion of component architecture needs throwing out, lock,
stock
>> and barrel, and, more centrally, (3) their conception of the
>> nature of the market is not pitched right from epistemological
>> or
>> ontological points of view. (Sorry not to go into more
detail
>> on
>> that now!)
>>
>> To generalize, though, it is the integration of the market and
>> component aspects of MACK as a philosophically-founded
>> architecture which will bring about the foreseeable quantum
leap
>> of intuitive and agile functionality over those of traditional
>> Web
>> Search and Web Services.
>>
>>> It is not by chance for example that a forum on cognitive
>>> linguisics cals for papers on the relations between
cognitive
>>> systems, their modular nature and interfaces. Therefore
>>> products
>>> that help connect various modalities of knowledge
>>> representations, even befote they are structured at an
>>> elementary level seem to be a winner: http://prezi.com/
>>
>> Google |metaset artificial creativity| to be pointed to my
>> reluctant but still chosen use of a controversial phrase in
the
>> past. (Follow my 2 links above to see how I also refer
to it as
>> "Koestler creativity".)
>>
>> But Ferenc, you seem to have a background in data mining, so
you
>> will surely love this forthcoming platform, and how it will
help
>> expedite the whole top-down/bottom-up process of creative
>> discovery and invention!
>>
>> Christopher
>>
>>
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