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Christopher Spottiswoode wrote:
I might add that I have always valued appropriateness
of
concept over any kind of merely statistical
connection.
If even concepts (per se) are unique (like synsets)
then isn't the statistical spectrum of conceptional distribution (like WordNet
synsets) also ordered and unique in terms of some conceptional identifier over
a vocabulary (of said conceptions and synsets)?
-Rich
Sincerely,
Rich Cooper
EnglishLogicKernel.com
Rich AT EnglishLogicKernel DOT com
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Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum]Ontologiesassocialmediators(was:Ontologydevelopment
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Hmmm, Ferenc, maybe some words of warning for now:
In my last paragraph below I noted the further
potential for data
mining, but that is only a very minor part of what I
mean by
top-down/bottom-up processes. Worse, perhaps,
from your point of
view, it is not where the main qualitative impact will
be from the
spread of MACK. At risk of causing further
confusion at this
stage, I might add that I have always valued
appropriateness of
concept over any kind of merely statistical
connection.
But I still eagerly look forward to the outcome your
synchronizing
processes!
Christopher
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From: "FERENC KOVACS"
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Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:15 PM
Subject: Re:
[ontolog-forum]Ontologiesassocialmediators(was:Ontologydevelopment
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Chris, I think I should try to synchronize with you as
many of
ideas
presented I share but call a different name.
Will elaborate on that soon.
Thanks a lot
Ferenc
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Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 5:59 PM
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> Ferenc, thanks for all the further good comment.
>
>> I believe the big issue is how to connect
common knowledge of
>> whatever representation since we seem to have
a narrow
>> bandwidth
>> of keeping track of long sequences of
information.
>
> Levels of abstraction are the basis of MACK's
systematic
> approach
> to that problem, particularly how they fit in
with the "join"
> concept as I introduced it from this point
>
http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/2008-03/msg00249.html#nid039
> in the 3rd instalment of my "MACK
basics" series. "Composition"
> is another name often used for it, but I prefer
the graphic or
> ERD
> word with its RDB meaning and associations.
>
> A more immediately relevant aspect is in this
paragraph from a
> slightly later post by me:
>
http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/2008-03/msg00254.html#nid019.
> (But don't follow up now on the unfulfilled
promise in its last
> sentence!)
>
> Another major approach to your problem, so
central as the
> problem
> is, concerns what I hesitantly call its UDDI- or
WSDL-like
> functionality, as part of the whole market
scene. I say
> "hesitantly" because (1) those specific
facilities/languages are
> far from being great advertisements for any
concept, (2) their
> notion of component architecture needs throwing
out, lock, stock
> and barrel, and, more centrally, (3) their
conception of the
> nature of the market is not pitched right from
epistemological
> or
> ontological points of view. (Sorry not to
go into more detail
> on
> that now!)
>
> To generalize, though, it is the integration of
the market and
> component aspects of MACK as a
philosophically-founded
> architecture which will bring about the
foreseeable quantum leap
> of intuitive and agile functionality over those
of traditional
> Web
> Search and Web Services.
>
>> It is not by chance for example that a forum
on cognitive
>> linguisics cals for papers on the relations
between cognitive
>> systems, their modular nature and interfaces.
Therefore
>> products
>> that help connect various modalities of
knowledge
>> representations, even befote they are
structured at an
>> elementary level seem to be a winner: http://prezi.com/
>
> Google |metaset artificial creativity| to be
pointed to my
> reluctant but still chosen use of a controversial
phrase in the
> past. (Follow my 2 links above to see how I
also refer to it as
> "Koestler creativity".)
>
> But Ferenc, you seem to have a background in data
mining, so you
> will surely love this forthcoming platform, and
how it will help
> expedite the whole top-down/bottom-up process of
creative
> discovery and invention!
>
> Christopher
>
>
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