Hold with Ed,
But OK at the low level.
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From: "Ed Barkmeyer" <edbark@xxxxxxxx>
To: "[ontolog-forum]" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:28 AM
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] An Ultra High Level Ontology (01)
> Rich Cooper wrote:
>> Since John Sowa and Pat Hayes (and possibly Ian Bailey) seem to agree
>> on the following ultra high level ontology, perhaps we should proclaim
>> it an "Initial Ontic Standard" that can be built upon:
>>
>> -Thing
>> -Individual
>> -Type
>> -Powertype
>> -TupleTyple
>> -IndividualType
>> -Name
>> -NameType
>> -tuple (thing, thing, thing, ...etc.)
>> -couple (thing, thing)
>> -superSubtype (type, type)
>> -typeInstance (type, thing)
>> -powertypeInstance (powertype, type)
>> -nameTypeInstance (nametype, name)
>> -namedBy (thing, name)
>> -triple (thing, thing, thing)
>> -quadruple (thing, thing, thing, thing)
>> -quintuple (thing, thing, thing, thing, thing)
>
> I, for one, cannot build anything on this list of terms. In the
> immortal words of Haim Kilov, "I won't agree with any statement that
> contains undefined terms."
>
> Now, if we had definitions and/or axioms for these terms, we might have
> a start at an ontology.
>
> And I don't think my intuition is very good with respect to this
> taxonomy. Ian said "types are identified by their members", which is a
> surprise. It seems to make Type a "set" or a "collection". I would
> have expected that a Type would be identified by its 'characteristics',
> i.e., the necessary and sufficient conditions specified by its axioms.
> So I don't presume that I understand any of what is listed.
>
> I suggest that we don't judge this book by its cover.
>
> -Ed
>
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> without any meaning?'"
> -- Lewis Carroll, "Through the Looking Glass"
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