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Re: [ontolog-forum] An Ultra High Level Ontology

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From: Pat Hayes <phayes@xxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 02:22:47 -0600
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On Feb 11, 2009, at 2:16 AM, Matthew West wrote:    (01)

> Dear Rich,
>
>> I liked "WholePart(X,Y)" which I take to mean that X is a whole and Y
>> is a
>> part of X at this moment in time.
>>
>> I don't see that its necessary to distinguish between various kinds  
>> of
>> temporal conditions - temporal information can be organized
>> independently of
>> the WholePart(X,Y) statement.  There is no value in adding something
>> about
>> "X used to be a whole with Y a part of it", or "X will become a whole
>> with Y
>> as a part of it".  Those conditions can be better modeled with
>> relations
>> pertaining to time - temporal logic predicates for example.
>
> [MW] With 4D there is no such complication. You identify which  
> temporal part
> of X was a part of Y. The temporal part of X already knows about the  
> times
> involved. This is why the mereology can be so simple.    (02)

Yes, at first its surprising, but actually its kind of obvious when  
you think about it: mereology is dimension-independent. It works the  
same way in four as in three, and indeed as in two or one dimensions.  
The very same axioms apply. Makes life so much simpler.    (03)

Pat    (04)


>
>
>>
>> While it would be nice to have axioms relevant to the items in the
>> tree,
>> that seems to add a great deal of complexity at a time when we can't
>> even
>> seem to agree on these simple concepts mentioned in Ian's tree.  We
>> have to
>> stop modeling at some point to have a finished ontology, even if the
>> ontology is not perfect, or even suitable for certain tasks.  It is
>> enough
>> if an ontology like Dublin Core is developed for the concepts in  
>> Ian's
>> tree.
>
> [MW] But you don't know what the concepts actually mean until you  
> have the
> axioms...
>
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>
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