Paola, (01)
> [PDM] Peter, thanks a lot for the links. it looks like a lot of stuff
> there, but I did not find is the link to a page listing the existing
> resources, something immediately usable
>
> list 1. denise
> list 2 patricks
> etc (02)
[ppy] Don't quite understand you here (I thought PatCassidy gave you
his link too) .
By the way, did you try "searching" (googling) for what you need via
the search box at http://ontolog.cim3.net ?
Note: PatCassidy's ONTAC-WG work (ref:
http://colab.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologyTaxonomyCoordinatingWG)
work is independent of ONTOLOG. However, since they are hosted within
the CIM3.NET infrastructure also, they would show up too, if you
select the "Search cim3.net" radio button (rather than just making the
default "Search ontolog.cim3.net" search.) (03)
I just tried searching for the word "glossary" there, and got the
following number of hits: (04)
282 - Search cim3.net
1,370 - Search ontolog.cim3.net
133,000,000 - Search the Web (05)
... have fun! (06)
> [PDM] do you need me to help compile one? (07)
[ppy] #133,000,001? :-) ... Sure, iff you think it will be of value
to the community. In the Ontolog context, I do suggest your making an
attempt to join that with relevant ongoing efforts (like the
OntologTaxoThesaurus project.) ... Fyi, KenBaclawski is joining the
TaxoThesaurus team too, and we'll also be exploring how to leverage
the OntologySummit2007 survey inputs during the Thursday call. (08)
Regards. =ppy
-- (09)
On 6/18/07, paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx <paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Peter
>
>
> >
> > [ppy] Of course (you may choose to not join us at the call)! ... We
> > are expecting to do a synchronous voice session this Thursday (and not
> > a chat session ... and the facility to support the same has not been
> > planned), so don't worry about staying up for it!
>
> I would love to join, but it's in the middle of the night here. ( I can
> join if we adjust the time
> say 3 hours earlier or so, but I am happy to input my thoughts via mail. I
> it is very easy to set up a skype multichat instantly btw, so no need to
> plan for that, lets just do it when we want to talk about something)
>
> > > [PDM] denise, and all, please start diggin up your collections, i would
> love to
> > > see the work that has been done to date
> >
> > [ppy] I though I already sent you the link on my last message ...
> > were you able to view them?
>
> Peter, thanks a lot for the links. it looks like a lot of stuff there, but
> I did not find is the link to a page listing the existing resources ,
> something immediately usable
>
> list 1. denise
> list 2 patricks
> etc
>
> which is what I need in times of uncertainty
> have I missed it? do you need me to help compile one?
>
>
> Thanks a lot
> PDM
>
> > - (010)
> > On 6/18/07, paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx <paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > Peter, and all,
> > >
> > > Thanks for inviting us to the call, I am at odds with my timezone, so
> may I
> > > not make it
> > > (will try if cant sleep and remote connection works, more likely to be
> by
> > > chat than voice)
> > >
> > > Denise seems to think that a new effort might be a good idea, despite
> her
> > > championing a related one
> > > (denise, and all, please start diggin up your collections, i would love
> to
> > > see the work that has been done to date
> > >
> > > I am all not for duplication, so I will leave you guys to decide whats
> best
> > > - maybe simply update the scope and relaunch existing projects, that
> would
> > > be great for me
> > >
> > > for my part, I see the following requirement that I would like to put
> > > forward for the call agenda,
> > >
> > > - an online updatable 'open' resource that can be used as stable
> reference
> > > (lots of knowledge would otherwise get lost)
> > >
> > > - while to some extent 'validation' by an editorial committee would be
> > > useful, equally useful would be the research aspect aimed at collecting
> > > perspectives and definitions in use de fact. This practically means that
> > > users should be able to interact with the words,
> > >
> > > - a page to gather such resources, for eample pat cassidy's page as
> well as
> > > bobs and denises pages, and other related ones (this means that I, in
> search
> > > for meaning of not so self descriptive words, may be able to look up
> more
> > > than one reference by consulting our page of 'resources')
> > >
> > > - a long term view to integrate disparate resoruces for the purpose of
> > > consolidating a common vocabulary
> > > across parallel sectors (w3? oasis? ieee? anyone else out there?)
> > >
> > >
> > > I see glossary and controlled vocabulary as the first (necesary) step
> > > towards a semantic network, when we can add a set of relationships to
> our
> > > terms we may be able to embed some logic in there too
> > >
> > > thanks for supporting my request, look forward!
> > >
> > > Paola DM (011)
> > > On 6/19/07, Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > > [PDM] Peter, is there a formal way of setting up this initiative
> with
> > > this group?
> > > >
> > > > [ppy] Yes. See:
> > >
> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WikiHomePage#nidK
> > > >
> > > > That said, we should be careful NOT to duplicate existing effort ...
> > > > whether it's within Ontolog, or outside. ... I would be surprised if
> > > > some serious effort ref. the latter doesn't already exist.
> > > >
> > > > Within Ontolog, too, we already have an "Ontologizing Ontolog"
> > > > initiative - see:
> > > >
> > >
> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologizingOntolog
> > > > ... within which there is the TaxoThesaurus Project which BobSmith &
> > > > DeniseBedford are championing - see:
> > > >
> > >
> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologTaxoThesaurus
> > > >
> > > > In fact, that team is doing a project review and update this Thursday
> > > > (see:
> > >
> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2007_06_21
> > > > ) after their break.
> > > >
> > > > Paola, you might consider joining the call to see if there is a need
> > > > for a deparate effort.
> > > >
> > > > Regards. =ppy
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 6/18/07, paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx <paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > > Thanks Denise
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes of course we need a review process, but given the wealth of
> > > > > knowledgeable sources on this list I am sure we should be able to
> elicit
> > > > > some positive inputs to get us started
> > > > > In case there is no consensus on any given definition, we can always
> > > have
> > > > > more instances,
> > > > >
> > > > > Peter, is there a formal way of setting up this initiative with this
> > > group?
> > > > >
> > > > > I am starting a similar process/procedure with the w3 incubator
> group
> > > > > regarding he emergency management ontology with a similar goal..
> > > > >
> > > > > Or shall I just start with pening a page and ask people to help
> refine
> > > the
> > > > > definitions in a civilized and open way using standard wiki culture?
> > > > > Ideally, we would make the glossary 'exportable' so that it can be
> > > pulled by
> > > > > other websites
> > > > >
> > > > > suggestions?
> > > > >
> > > > > Comments? (do people think this is an impossible task for some
> reason)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > PDM (012)
> > > > > On 6/18/07, dbedford@xxxxxxxxxxxxx < dbedford@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > > > Paola,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think starting a glossary of ontology terminology is an
> excellent
> > > idea.
> > > > > I think, though, that there should be an editorial and peer review
> > > process
> > > > > in place to manage the quality of content and to facilitate
> resolution
> > > of
> > > > > variations. And, that these processes should reflect the views and
> > > > > experiences of the larger community.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > Denise (013)
> > > > > > ----- ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> wrote:
> > > -----
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > To: "[ontolog-forum]" < ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >
> > > > > > From: paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > Sent by: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > Date: 06/17/2007 09:27AM
> > > > > > Subject: [ontolog-forum] glossary of ontology terminology
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Peoples,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am looking for a credible glossary of ontological terms, and I
> dont
> > > find
> > > > > anything easily accessible, comprehensive and uptodate that I can
> trust
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am aware there is a copyright issue - but we should try to go
> past
> > > that?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wikipedia is still flakey, and this looks better carried out on
> the
> > > web
> > > > > as a collective task. It looks like we have a good collection of
> > > > > definitions for 'ontology' on the summit wikipage, which shows that
> we
> > > can
> > > > > produce things I wonder if we should start working towards creating
> > > > > definitions (ta community of practice starts with common
> terminology)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (we dont have to agree on everything, we could always have d1. d2
> etc)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The problem I have today is to define 'applied ontology' and
> 'formal
> > > > > ontology' and wonder if there is any further distinction
> > > > > > I have found some papers discussing in generally more than a page
> what
> > > a
> > > > > formal ontology is, but I am not satisfied
> > > > > > I find a useful reference on Jsowa glossary for formal ontology,
> but
> > > it
> > > > > does not seem to be contrasting other types of ontology
> > > > > > formal as opposed to terminological? or formal vs applied?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > what is applied ontology exactly? (wikipedia entry is
> contradictory)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > shall we start something? has someone compiled something that they
> > > > > want/can share and open up for collective editing? (I would be
> > > surprised
> > > > > otherwisee)
> > > > > > thanks
> > > > > >
> > > > > > PDM (014)
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