Peter, and all,
Thanks for inviting us to the call, I am at odds with my timezone, so may I not make it
(will try if cant sleep and remote connection works, more likely to be by chat than voice)
Denise seems to think that a new effort might be a good idea, despite her championing a related one
(denise, and all, please start diggin up your collections, i would love to see the work that has been done to date
I am all not for duplication, so I will leave you guys to decide whats
best - maybe simply update the scope and relaunch existing projects,
that would be great for me
for my part, I see the following requirement that I would like to put forward for the call agenda,
- an online updatable 'open' resource that can be used as stable reference (lots of knowledge would otherwise get lost)
- while to some extent 'validation' by an editorial committee would be
useful, equally useful would be the research aspect aimed at collecting
perspectives and definitions in use de fact. This practically means
that users should be able to interact with the words,
- a page to gather such resources, for eample pat cassidy's page as
well as bobs and denises pages, and other related ones (this means that
I, in search for meaning of not so self descriptive words, may be able
to look up more than one reference by consulting our page of
'resources')
- a long term view to integrate disparate resoruces for the purpose of consolidating a common vocabulary
across parallel sectors (w3? oasis? ieee? anyone else out there?)
I see glossary and controlled vocabulary as the first (necesary) step
towards a semantic network, when we can add a set of relationships to
our terms we may be able to embed some logic in there too
thanks for supporting my request, look forward!
Paola DM
On 6/19/07, Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> [PDM] Peter, is there a formal way of setting up this initiative with this group?
[ppy] Yes. See: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WikiHomePage#nidK
That said, we should be careful NOT to duplicate existing effort ...
whether it's within Ontolog, or outside. ... I would be surprised if
some serious effort ref. the latter doesn't already exist.
Within Ontolog, too, we already have an "Ontologizing Ontolog"
initiative - see:
http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologizingOntolog
... within which there is the TaxoThesaurus Project which BobSmith &
DeniseBedford are championing - see:
http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologTaxoThesaurus
In fact, that team is doing a project review and update this Thursday
(see: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2007_06_21
) after their break.
Paola, you might consider joining the call to see if there is a need
for a deparate effort.
Regards. =ppy
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On 6/18/07,
paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx <paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Thanks Denise
>
> Yes of course we need a review process, but given the wealth of
> knowledgeable sources on this list I am sure we should be able to elicit
> some positive inputs to get us started
> In case there is no consensus on any given definition, we can always have
> more instances,
>
> Peter, is there a formal way of setting up this initiative with this group?
>
> I am starting a similar process/procedure with the w3 incubator group
> regarding he emergency management ontology with a similar goal..
>
> Or shall I just start with pening a page and ask people to help refine the
> definitions in a civilized and open way using standard wiki culture?
> Ideally, we would make the glossary 'exportable' so that it can be pulled by
> other websites
>
> suggestions?
>
> Comments? (do people think this is an impossible task for some reason)
>
>
> PDM
>
>
>
> On 6/18/07, dbedford@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<dbedford@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Paola,
> >
> > I think starting a glossary of ontology terminology is an excellent idea.
> I think, though, that there should be an editorial and peer review process
> in place to manage the quality of content and to facilitate resolution of
> variations. And, that these processes should reflect the views and
> experiences of the larger community.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Denise
> >
> >
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> >
> > To: "[ontolog-forum]" <
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> > From: paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx
> > Sent by:
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> > Date: 06/17/2007 09:27AM
> > Subject: [ontolog-forum] glossary of ontology terminology
> >
> >
> >
> > Peoples,
> >
> > I am looking for a credible glossary of ontological terms, and I dont find
> anything easily accessible, comprehensive and uptodate that I can trust
> >
> > I am aware there is a copyright issue - but we should try to go past that?
> >
> > Wikipedia is still flakey, and this looks better carried out on the web
> as a collective task. It looks like we have a good collection of
> definitions for 'ontology' on the summit wikipage, which shows that we can
> produce things I wonder if we should start working towards creating
> definitions (ta community of practice starts with common terminology)
> >
> > (we dont have to agree on everything, we could always have d1. d2 etc)
> >
> >
> > The problem I have today is to define 'applied ontology' and 'formal
> ontology' and wonder if there is any further distinction
> > I have found some papers discussing in generally more than a page what a
> formal ontology is, but I am not satisfied
> > I find a useful reference on Jsowa glossary for formal ontology, but it
> does not seem to be contrasting other types of ontology
> > formal as opposed to terminological? or formal vs applied?
> >
> > what is applied ontology exactly? (wikipedia entry is contradictory)
> >
> > shall we start something? has someone compiled something that they
> want/can share and open up for collective editing? (I would be surprised
> otherwisee)
> > thanks
> >
> > PDM
> >
> >
> > --
> >
>
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