Re: [ontolog-forum] Siri's (Apple) Patent Application

[Matthew Kaufman <mkfmncom@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Rich,

I just wanted to state that this:

"But I don’t think that makes the large IP
holders unethical; they are just self interested like all the rest of us." is not my original sentence; but quoted out of context in this thread; 

Was a re-quote (in agreement) of someone else's in this sentence. I apologize for not crediting the original author; and for some reason I can't find it in this thread oddly; I was on my iPhone when I wrote it... 

Can anyone claim credit for it? I apologize for not doing so initially; but as I said: It was re-published on my phone....

Matt Kaufman

On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Rich Cooper <rich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Dear Matthew,

 

You wrote:

But I don’t think that makes the large IP holders unethical; they are just self interested like all the rest of us. 

Agreed.  The large IP holding position is simply different from the small IP holding, but both holders are well advised to follow what is in their unique self interest, both in their patent dealings and in their business dealings. 

 

Every business, large or small, is a complex system that has to steer according to its own goals, and to avoid financial costs that can be reduced or eliminated.  None of that has to do with “ethical” behavior. 

 

The moral obligation of any business is to do what is in the best interests of its stakeholders.  It is just that the constraints on various business classes differ among the classes, and differ even more on a case by case basis.  The business must account for market share, fixed plant costs, opportunities and threats to their mission.  Ethics is just as appropriate to individuals as to businesses, and making money is a matter of survival – the most significant ethic of all!

 

That is why I was trying to get some consensus on how to represent self interest ontologies which might be reasonable models of how businesses (and individuals) act in given situations.  But the Self Interest Ontology seems to have stimulated no lasting interest. 

 

-Rich

 

Sincerely,

Rich Cooper

EnglishLogicKernel.com

Rich AT EnglishLogicKernel DOT com

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From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Matthew Kaufman
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 11:37 AM

To: [ontolog-forum]
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Siri's (Apple) Patent Application

 

But I don’t think that makes the large IP holders unethical; they are just self interested like all the rest of us. 

Matthew M. Kaufman

On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 9:58 PM, Rich Cooper <rich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Dear Ed and Peter,

 

Comments below,

-Rich

 

Sincerely,

Rich Cooper

EnglishLogicKernel.com

Rich AT EnglishLogicKernel DOT com

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-----Original Message-----
From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ed - 0x1b, Inc.
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 5:34 PM
To: [ontolog-forum]
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Siri's (Apple) Patent Application

 

On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Ed - 0x1b, Inc. <ontolog@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Rich Cooper

>> <rich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>>> Dear Peter,

>>> 

>>> Agreed re the FTF vs FTI.  The many inventors I

>>> know are upset about this new law, and working

>>> hard to reverse it, so perhaps that will be

>>> changed.  But it will take years.

>> 

>> is there an ontology of politicos that are on our side or otherwise

>> enemies of invention? is there a tool to work against this yet?

> 

> [ppy]  I don't know ... but googling "intellectual property ontology"

> came up with a whopping 703,000 hits.

> 

 

wrong problem - the problems are the political actors that thought

this was a good idea. If you want to solve a problem. start to measure

it (according to my old teacher Peter Drucker)

 

Is there an ontology that identifies government offices held by those

that profess this perspective - I want to give people good reasons not

to support them.

 

People in congress, in fact in most of government, are not technologists, by and large.  The patent issue was managed because large companies with lots of intellectual property saw that other countries were eating their IP lunches.  A patent in the US wasn’t good in the EU, in Asia, Australia, South America, Africa, and any others you like that I may have left out.  The problem was thought solved (for the large IP holders) through using lobbyists to purchase votes of elected officials.  It was that self interest on the part of large companies (and contrary to perceived self interest of small inventors who make the bulk of startup companies work) that led to the belief that world patent standards (the WIPO) would fix the problem (but just for big IP holders, to the detriment of inventors). 

 

Since ontology is likely to be populated by small companies in the near future, with large companies gobbling up the markets since there is less patent protection for the small companies, it is unlikely to develop at the pace or with the depth of technology we have seen in the last five decades of the computer revolution. 

 

<rant>

It doesn't matter how complex the system, how much invested capital,

or the size of a project - it takes a person to be unethical. The

problem is always one or more people. They must go before you can

start to fix things.

</rant>

 

I don’t want the people to go; I want them empowered to add value to semantic engineering. 

 

with any luck semantic patents will get ruled a fraud - but I doubt it.

 

I certainly hope not.  The problem is that there is not enough progress in semantic patents, and the speed of the future is now slower than it was before the AIA was passed. 

 

But I don’t think that makes the large IP holders unethical; they are just self interested like all the rest of us.  The issue isn’t one of ethical behavior, but of what works best economically for the vast majority of citizens.  What helps the economy is what is best.  And that is NOT the AIA with FTF replacing FTI.  It only protects the big guys at the expense of the seed corn. 

 

-Rich

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