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Re: [ontolog-forum] Siri's (Apple) Patent Application

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From: "Rich Cooper" <rich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 19:04:27 -0700
Message-id: <20119B478F9849AEBB0C4CB2C17856E7@Gateway>

Dear Ali,


Published material is defined, for patent purposes, as anything in the public marketplace which can be interpreted by a Posita (Person of Ordinary Skill in the Art) adequately to practice the invention.  So if it is behind a firewall and not for sale, it is not in the public marketplace.  But if it is in a scientific journal, in the IEEE, or even in Popular Science adequately described for a Posita, then it qualifies as published material for invalidating patents. 






Rich Cooper


Rich AT EnglishLogicKernel DOT com

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On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 5:43 PM, Ed Barkmeyer <edbark@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

I expect my son the lawyer to have a fat and busy life.

Not necessarily - http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/robot_invasion/2011/09/will_robots_steal_your_job_5.single.html


Just a while longer before legal ontologies and ML get good enough to complete the commodification (commoditization?) of this sector of the economy... P


More seriously,



At some point, I will need to understand the legal relationship between
'prior art' and FTF.  It is absolutely necessary that publication of
prior art is a valid defense.  Otherwise the effect on academic work
could be catastrophic.


What is the status of a blog post? Or a google group for that matter? Do they constitute published material?
What if it is behind a paywall, or at least requires a login? I'm not really sure what counts either as adequate published material.


And seriously -- a digital assistant that is able to take input from some device, interpret it, connect it to an ontology and then orchestrate services over a network and send the results to an output device is a novel discovery? Siri's a great application that demonstrates how one can successfully deploy and commercialize various AI technologies, but the claims in this application are incredibly broad.





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