Tuesday, January 13, 2009 4:43 PM, John wrote:
"My point is that we can begin this work today with mostly volunteer effort.
If we do a decent job, the funding will come
later. But we need to do something solid to demonstrate that this group is
capable of accomplishing something. Otherwise,
hope for multimillion-dollar grants is a pipe dream." (01)
It seems we are both late of the current situation with research grants.
What is really now going on is: the pipe dream ontology projects are getting
multimillion grants, at least here, in EU, within the framework programs, as
FP 6 and FP 7. Call them the sink projects, like 16m DIP ontology or 14m
NeON ontology or OntoLogging or SEK, or what not, easily absorbing the
public funds with all sorts of ontological phantasies. I indicated this
reckless and irresponsible academic adventurism in the Reality book.
Next, with all my critical approach to things, this Forum can meet the most
challenging ontological projects unlike others. But what it is lacking the
organization and intelligent unanimity, always needed at the point of
criticality. (02)
Azamat Abdoullaev (03)
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From: "John F. Sowa" <sowa@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Next steps in using ontologies as standards (04)
> Ron,
>
> I want to point out that my proposal requires a minimal amount
> of funding to get started.
>
> > I am not suggesting that we should build a full OR. I believe
> > that there is a project currently underway. I hope that the
> > functional requirements that are outlined below will be considered
> > in that process.
>
> I am not proposing that we begin by developing *any* ontologies.
> The starting work requires less effort than this group puts into
> a hotly debated email thread:
>
> 1. Define the operators that relate the theories in the hierarchy.
> Adolf Lindenbaum kindly did the theoretical work for us about
> 80 years ago, and I summarized it in Sections 2, 3, and 4 of
> the following paper:
>
> http://www.jfsowa.com/logic/theories.htm
>
> 2. The next point is to develop a set of policies about how
> to handle contributions, relate them, evaluate them, etc.
> As Elisa said, the OBO has a well developed framework that
> does much of what we need, and we could start by identifying
> what they have accomplished that we can adopt, and what more
> we would like to add.
>
> After these two points have been established (or even during the
> debate about them), Peter Yim or anybody else on the list that
> wants to do so could set up a Foundation Ontology wiki.
>
> We would also need a cute logo, design graphics, and a URL with
> an appropriate name that is dedicated to the Foundation Ontology.
> That can also be set up in parallel.
>
> The ontologies themselves would come from donations. Some of
> those that are already available as open source could be adapted
> very quickly by adding the appropriate metadata and making a
> place for them in the hierarchy. They need not be physically
> moved from their starting places, but we do need to establish
> some controls for versioning, etc., which are often minimal
> or nonexistent in open-source resources.
>
> My point is that we can begin this work today with mostly
> volunteer effort. If we do a decent job, the funding will come
> later. But we need to do something solid to demonstrate that
> this group is capable of accomplishing something. Otherwise,
> hope for multimillion-dollar grants is a pipe dream.
>
> John
>
>
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