John G -
That suggestion assumes that one of the existing projects appears likely
to achieve one's goal. My goal is to enable broad and accurate semantic
interoperability and my estimate is that none of those specific projects
(and no other I know of) has a ghost of a chance of achieving that. In
order to satisfy the needs of a very diverse group of users, one needs to be
able to represent unambiguously any knowledge of interest to people, in a
form that can be used for automated reasoning. The Cyc system has a
capability close to that, but it is not an open-source system, and is not
used by enough separated groups to form the kind of user community that can
share experience effectively and evolve the system together. (01)
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> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Next steps in using ontologies as
> There are existing projects that are geared toward meeting both these
> goals, are there not? Many that are putting forth semantic wikis (for
> the purpose of defining semantic concepts in a wiki-like way) and a
> few projects that are targeted (broadly) at a more formal ontology
> presentation space for community ontologies.
> I don't have examples of the first in hand (many are known), but in
> the second we are describing Knoodl (Revelytix), NeOn's work, and the
> (early stage discussions) Open Ontology Repository project (by Ontolog
> group, previously mentioned in the thread). The last is noteworthy
> because many requirements have been defined in public pages.
> I ask because I'm not sure why this group is devoting time discussing
> design of a system, when the interested parties might instead agree on
> basic goals, pick a system, and start work? Or else I am missing
> On Jan 12, 2009, at 6:58 AM, Ron Wheeler wrote:
> > I would suggest a 2 pronged approach. The formal ontology repository
> > should have a proper governance structure and peer review by whatever
> > body is setup to do that.
> > The wiki should be more like Wikipedia with the emphasis on
> > ontologies and building up a set of documentation about each one,
> > comments from users, links to compatible ontologies, links to
> > alternatives and comments from reviewers regardless of their
> > "officialness".
> > The formal repository governing body should find this a useful
> > resource
> > both as a source of candidate ontologies and as a source of potential
> > SMEs and reviewers. It will also identify topics and ideas that the
> > official reviewers may want to include in their analysis.
> > The less bureaucracy in the wiki, the better. It has worked very well
> > for Wikipedia.
> > I doubt if we would have more vandalism than Wikipedia does,
> > although we
> > do get some heated discussion here.
> > If it does become a problem, the easiest way to fix that is by
> > requiring
> > people to get permission to have access to writing.
> > Wikipedia has not had to resort to that and they draw from a much
> > wider
> > audience with all kinds of commercial and competitive interests.
> > Ron
> > John F. Sowa wrote:
> >> Azamat and Ron,
> >> There are two separate issues:
> >> 1. Developing the ground rules and policies for an ontology
> >> registry.
> >> 2. Setting up a registry and maintaining the contributed ontologies.
> >> These two goals can be pursued in parallel, but #1 should be started
> >> first. Then an implementation, #2, would give us further experience
> >> and ideas about how to develop #1 further.
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