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From: Chris Menzel <cmenzel@xxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 10:30:02 -0500
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On Thu, Sep 06, 2007 at 09:15:17AM +0100, matthew.west@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
> You were doing well until:
> > Your questions betray a radically extensionalist view of music, Jay
> > -- you seem to be suggesting that a performance of Cage's piece is
> > identical with any 4'33" interval of silence.
> > 
> > > What is the sound of one hand clapping?
> > 
> > Obviously you don't watch The Simpsons. :-)
> > 
> > > "No entity without identity."
> > 
> > Ah, confirmation of your extensionalism!
> What Jay had actually missed was the intentional nature of a
> performance.      (01)

Er, uh...huh?  I chided Jay about his apparently extensional view of
musical performances, i.e., the view that they are identical with the
sound produced.  Obviously, what is missing from such a view are the
intentional elements of a performance (as I even illustrated; see
below).    (02)

> (You may recall Leo pointing out the intentional nature of
> performance.)     (03)

And you may recall my pointing out that musical performances are not
extensional. ;-)    (04)

> There is no performance of 4' 33" unless it is intended to be. The
> intentional nature of performance is a key element of its identity.    (05)

*boggle*  In addition to registering my disagreement with an extensional
view of musical performance, I paid explicit homage to the intentional
in a passage you neglected to quote:    (06)

> > Obviously [4'33"] begins at the beginning; given the nature of the
> > piece it seems to me it begins when the performer gives some sort of
> > internal nod and, of course, ends 4'33" later.    (07)

> Extensionalism here is irrelevant, except that it allows you to answer
> the question of how many performances there were in a particular hall
> at a particular time based on the participation of the performers and
> the audience.    (08)

I think you need to re-read my post.  Our views of performance are
apparently quite similar.  Why you failed to see that is rather baffling
to me.    (09)

-chris    (010)

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