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Re: [ontolog-forum] Current Semantic Web Layer pizza (was ckae)

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From: "Barker, Sean (UK)" <Sean.Barker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 10:03:08 +0100
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I noted in the discussion of 4'33" that there were no vocal arrangements
for it. Below is my first attempt for soprano - something I wrote:
,,:-),,!    (01)

Thus inspired I tried a setting of a poem by e e cummings (for baritone)    (02)

I think what these settings suggest is that although the Cage piece is
without semantics, it has both syntax and pragmatics (hopefully, in the
case of my settings, a smile) but that it relies both on context and
contextual knowledge to make sense - i.e. the semantics, if any, are
inferred (you need to know the poetry of e e cummings to understand the
second half of the joke).    (03)

My concern with the Semantic Layer pizza (the reference is to one of the
recurrent introductory examples for ontologies) is that it is being
constructed without explicit reference to pragmatics. A version of this
issue appeared today in the OASIS-open thread for Emergency management:    (04)

"At 4:10 PM -0400 9/9/07, Alessandro Triglia wrote:
>I am reading through the HAVE document.  As far as I can see, this 
>standard fundamentally specifies a **message** (or a document or a 
>report if you will).  It does not say much about the expected behavior 
>of the producer of the message or about the expected behavior of the 
>consumer of the message, or about anything else. Indeed, the main 
>normative section of this standard consists entirely of a data
dictionary for the HAVE message."    (05)

The question here is about the meaning of conformance in relation to
hospital bed availability, which is at least a life and death matter.    (06)

Sean Barker
Bristol, UK    (07)

PS I also tried a setting of Wittgenstein's Tractatus, but only the
final section worked.    (08)

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> John,
> You are too diplomatic, like a wise politician. It is good 
> when one is politic and polite, but we try to do science 
> here, questing after ontological truths, and thus must be truthful.
> If to be so frank, I am inclined to agree with a confidential 
> opinion of one of the architects of the SUO concept:
> ''...there are way too many people who just like to hear 
> themselves talk, who consider themselves experts, who have no 
> experience in ontology, but feel compelled to participate in 
> the discussion.''
> Although being members, many good minds, capable to 
> critically contribute, keep distance from any active debate. 
> Instead, you have to read funny musings on silence in music, 
> etc., served by the same folk.
> It looks we need to radically upgrade the level of our 
> discussions to meet the requirements of the OntoForum.
> Or, I encourage to pay more attention to Jim's effort to 
> renew the SUO's listing, which had made an essential 
> contribution to the standard ontology subject, regardless PY 
> is doing the best job possible.
> Azamat Abdoullaev
>    (010)

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