I find the whole thread re: 4'33" reminds me of a children's book that
ends with the observation of a child, "Look mother, the Emporer has no
clothes on!"
rgds, Jack (01)
Barker, Sean (UK) wrote:
> I noted in the discussion of 4'33" that there were no vocal arrangements
> for it. Below is my first attempt for soprano - something I wrote:
> ,,;,?
> ,,;,,;,,,;,;,,.
> ,,:-),,!
>
> Thus inspired I tried a setting of a poem by e e cummings (for baritone)
>
>
>
>
> I think what these settings suggest is that although the Cage piece is
> without semantics, it has both syntax and pragmatics (hopefully, in the
> case of my settings, a smile) but that it relies both on context and
> contextual knowledge to make sense - i.e. the semantics, if any, are
> inferred (you need to know the poetry of e e cummings to understand the
> second half of the joke).
>
> My concern with the Semantic Layer pizza (the reference is to one of the
> recurrent introductory examples for ontologies) is that it is being
> constructed without explicit reference to pragmatics. A version of this
> issue appeared today in the OASIS-open thread for Emergency management:
>
> "At 4:10 PM -0400 9/9/07, Alessandro Triglia wrote:
>
>> I am reading through the HAVE document. As far as I can see, this
>> standard fundamentally specifies a **message** (or a document or a
>> report if you will). It does not say much about the expected behavior
>> of the producer of the message or about the expected behavior of the
>> consumer of the message, or about anything else. Indeed, the main
>> normative section of this standard consists entirely of a data
>>
> dictionary for the HAVE message."
>
> The question here is about the meaning of conformance in relation to
> hospital bed availability, which is at least a life and death matter.
>
> Sean Barker
> Bristol, UK
>
> PS I also tried a setting of Wittgenstein's Tractatus, but only the
> final section worked.
>
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>> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Current Semantic Web Layer pizza
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>> John,
>> You are too diplomatic, like a wise politician. It is good
>> when one is politic and polite, but we try to do science
>> here, questing after ontological truths, and thus must be truthful.
>> If to be so frank, I am inclined to agree with a confidential
>> opinion of one of the architects of the SUO concept:
>> ''...there are way too many people who just like to hear
>> themselves talk, who consider themselves experts, who have no
>> experience in ontology, but feel compelled to participate in
>> the discussion.''
>>
>> Although being members, many good minds, capable to
>> critically contribute, keep distance from any active debate.
>> Instead, you have to read funny musings on silence in music,
>> etc., served by the same folk.
>> It looks we need to radically upgrade the level of our
>> discussions to meet the requirements of the OntoForum.
>> Or, I encourage to pay more attention to Jim's effort to
>> renew the SUO's listing, which had made an essential
>> contribution to the standard ontology subject, regardless PY
>> is doing the best job possible.
>>
>> Azamat Abdoullaev
>>
>>
>>
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