we say: przyganial kociol garnkowi, with roughly the same meaning.
both John and Azamat are surely able to read this, and have surely heard
it in some similar varsion. (01)
(aware of that *this* should not to off-topic discussions.) (02)
vQ (03)
On Sun, 9 Sep 2007, Obrst, Leo J. wrote: (04)
> We have a saying, Azamat and John, about the pot calling the kettle
> black. Perhaps you've heard of that?
>
> Thanks,
> Leo
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Azamat
>> Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 12:21 PM
>> To: [ontolog-forum]
>> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Current Semantic Web Layer pizza
>> (was ckae)
>>
>> John,
>> You are too diplomatic, like a wise politician. It is good when one is
>
>> politic and polite, but we try to do science here, questing after
>> ontological truths, and thus must be truthful.
>> If to be so frank, I am inclined to agree with a confidential
>> opinion of one
>> of the architects of the SUO concept:
>> ''...there are way too many people who just like to hear
>> themselves talk,
>> who consider themselves experts, who have no
>> experience in ontology, but feel compelled to participate in the
>> discussion.''
>>
>> Although being members, many good minds, capable to critically
>> contribute,
>> keep distance from any active debate. Instead, you have to read funny
>> musings on silence in music, etc., served by the same folk.
>> It looks we need to radically upgrade the level of our
>> discussions to meet
>> the requirements of the OntoForum.
>> Or, I encourage to pay more attention to Jim's effort to renew
>> the SUO's
>> listing, which had made an essential contribution to the
>> standard ontology
>> subject, regardless PY is doing the best job possible.
>>
>> Azamat Abdoullaev
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "John F. Sowa" <sowa@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: "[ontolog-forum]" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 4:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Current Semantic Web Layer pizza
>> (was ckae)
>>
>>
>>> Might I remind people that this thread started with a discussion
>>> of how the pieces of the SemWeb are related to ontology.
>>>
>>> John Cage's compositions are worth some discussion, but perhaps
>>> the amount spent so far has strayed a bit off topic.
>>>
>>> John
>>
>> SUO Subscribers,
>>
>> Here's a project that needs our help; and in turn, could provide
>> a user base for an upper ontology.
>>
>> The Problem: We all have lots of data, but it's all
>> inconsistent and we
>> don't have control over it.
>>
>> Current Efforts:
>>
>> Microsoft Windows CardSpace (formerly InfoCard)(They don't need
>> our help.)
>>
>> Higgins Project:
>> http://www.eclipse.org/higgins/higgins-charter.php
>> This is an open source effort. 'Higgins' comes from a
>> name of mouse.
>> Mission: To improve interoperability, privacy, and
>> security as well as empower users with more control over their
> personal
>> information.
>> Higgins User-Centric Ontology
>> http://wiki.eclipse.org/Higgins_Ontology Good start, but they need
> our
>> need and have welcomed it. This message invites participation by all.
>> Please forward to others, who can subscribe by sending the message
>> SUBSCRIBE STANDARD-UPPER-ONTOLOGY to listserv@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>> I propose we:
>>
>> 1. Brainstorm and recruit particiation via this list for a
>> couple weeks, then move to a new list to focus.
>>
>> 2. Review the current Higgins user-centric ontology
>> http://www.eclipse.org/higgins/ontologies/2006/higgins.owl and start
>> providing suggestions.
>>
>> 3. Develop strawman ontologies based on different upper
>> ontologies. Evalaute, compare, and provide results to the Higgins
>> project, which might decide to base later releases on an upper
>> ontology.
>>
>>
>> If Higgins takes off, it could grow as fast as Myspace or
>> FaceBook, and of all the companies, organizations, and governments
> that
>> deal with these users, some will choose to use the same upper
> ontology.
>>
>> This kicks of the brainstorming, so please post your thoughts.
>>
>> Jim Schoening >
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