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Re: [ontolog-forum] Model or Reality

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From: "Azamat Abdoullaev" <abdoul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 22:22:23 +0300
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John,    (01)

It might be surprising for you, but your ethical speculations just confirm 
my thesis below: ''you will have just defective systems with ''different 
conceptualizations''. The worst evils have been caused by defective theories 
(partial conceptualizations), as beliefs guiding human behavior and social 
actions. Different political theories come from lacking real social 
knowledge: absolutism, autocracy, despotism, communism, capitalism, fascism, 
communism, collectivism, conservatism, radicalism, extremism, elitism, 
democracy, etc. Different beliefs are again a result of lacking real 
knowledge about the world: all sorts of doctrines (isms), religious faiths, 
public opinions, superstitions, particular thoughts and values. You can 
extend this line of reasoning to other issues: partial mental attitudes, 
social injustices, immoralities, etc.
There is a sorrowful example of my thesis; continue you emotional 
statements:
''The 20th century was filled with disasters caused by people > trying to 
ram their conception of the truth down other people's > throats.  And the 
21st is starting off on an even worse footing.''
All these devastations and destructions arose from and will arise only from 
''different conceptualizations''. Take the war in Iraq, it is a partial 
truth and conceptualization, or a political stupidity, a serious want of 
insight into the situation, a bad lack of intelligence and want of common 
knowledge about real states of affairs in the world, what came up as a 
reason of the social evil bringing harms and destructions and misfortunes to 
many human lives.    (02)

To sum up:
 The idea of a single theory of anything (one comprehensive true 
representation of things in the world) has been always to the forefront of 
best human minds and central to classic ontology, since here lies all the 
best social outlooks and prospects and hopes of humanity. Partial 
conceptualizations and individual truths are causes of pain, injuries and 
losses, the evil dangers to intelligent humanity and machines.    (03)

Azamat    (04)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John F. Sowa" <sowa@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "[ontolog-forum]" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Model or Reality    (05)


> Azamat,
>
> That statement is the worst possible nonsequitur:
>
> AA> Reality is one as its true representation.  Otherwise,
> > you will have just defective systems with ''different
> > conceptualizations''.
>
> I'll accept the point that reality is one, but if we have
> learned anything over the past several millennia, it is that
> no finite mind can ever have an absolutely true representation
> of everything -- or even of any significant part.
>
> Science is the search for truth, but the best it can ever do
> is to give us better and better approximations.  And *every*
> other field is in much, much worse shape than science.
>
> The worst evils in all history have been committed by people
> who thought that they had the *ONE TRUE TRUTH* and that it
> was their *DUTY* to inflict their conceptualization of the
> *TRUTH* on everybody else.
>
> The 20th century was filled with disasters caused by people
> trying to ram their conception of the truth down other people's
> throats.  And the 21st is starting off on an even worse footing.
>
> Whenever anybody thinks he or she has absolute truth in his
> or her hands, you have found a truly depraved being who would
> inflict untold evil upon the world -- unless stopped.
>
> I won't mention any, but I'm sure we can all find examples.
>
> John
>
>
>
>
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