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From: "Pat Hayes" <phayes@xxxxxxx>
To: "Kathryn Blackmond Laskey" <klaskey@xxxxxxx>
Cc: "[ontolog-forum] " <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Model or Reality (was: Current Semantic Web
LayerCake) (01)
> >At 10:23 PM +0300 8/6/07, Azamat wrote:
>>>The citations of the day:
>>>> As a human, I think that it should be possible to speak of
>>>> one reality, as a computer scientist and engineers I see that it is
>>>> not
>>>> possible - and in my oppinion never will be possible - to reflect one
>>>> reality in our systems, as all system are based on different
>>>> conceptualizations.
>>>
>>>Reality is one as its true representation. Otherwise, your will have just
>>>defective systems with ''different conceptualizations''.
>>
>>That reality is one does not imply there is one "true representation"
>>of the one reality.
>
> Right. The key point that Azamat needs to grasp is that reality is
> not a representation, even of itself. Korzybsky said it succinctly:
> the map is not the territory.
This is rather a trivial comment. There is (fundamental) reality (the world
as it is), its representation (mental signs) and cultural embodyments (Web
and other artefacts). Note that the last two emerge as parts or modalities
of basic reality.
>
> Pat
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