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Re: [ontolog-forum] CCTONT work progress

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From: Peter Denno <peter.denno@xxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 22:56:22 -0400
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Hi,    (01)

> Robert Miller said:
> Ah, but we DO use codes to identify objects in the real world.  
> The realm of code sets spans adjectives, nouns, and I suppose verbs and 
adverbs.    (02)

Then you agree with me that the statement in section 6.1.1 contradicts the 
statement in section 8.1?     (03)

On Wednesday 27 October 2004 18:01, Monica J. Martin wrote:
> >>I've also attached a paper from Mike Adcock, now deceased, who wrote
> >>about the quandry about code and identifier. A lot has been done and
> >>debated since this was produced in June 2002. As a final note, if it is
> >>a real world object, the representation term is used instead (if memory
> >>serves me correctly) not the Code. Type. Thanks.
> >
> >Wallace: I had a look at the attached document.  The best that can be said
> > of it is that the examples may help us infer the distinction that the
> > authors failed to describe.  From the examples it seems that Codes can be
> > aliases for attribute values whereas Identifiers are attribute values
> > which can be used to denote object instances (or occurences, but NONE of
> > the identified things in the examples are occurences).
> >
> >Of course, Codes are attribute values as well.  My guess is that they wish
> > to think of these aliases as identifiers for the Identifiers, although
> > one could think of them as Identifiers where some naming context is
> > needed to uniquely identify objects using them.  The only "real"
> > difference between this and what they call Identifier is that the context
> > is explicitly defined and the values and their mappings should be in a
> > repository somewhere.
> mm1: It may sound simple and one may reason that the types are the same
> or directly similar....but you've not seen the debate over the last
> three years that would indicate otherwise. It is a religion of sorts
> that they are different even though often misused and assumed the same.
> Thanks.    (04)

Then the specification editor needs to record the definitions provided by the 
victors. Otherwise the rest of us can't get our jobs done, and nobody will be 
able to implement this correctly.     (05)

Best Regards, 
- Peter     (06)

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