Preferably alive, but after its dead is also ok as long as it is
properly preserved <double grin> (01)
I mean, just going back to that, if th purpose of studying the brain
is to see if we can find clues as how to mind works, then we
definitely need the connections in place (02)
There must be ways using nanoprobes and ultrasounds and other advance
scanning methods etc today to look nside the brain without spreading
it all over the place (03)
I suspect this is why the 'mind' is still largely escaping the grasp of science (04)
PDM (05)
On Dec 18, 2007 12:06 PM, Patrick Cassidy <pat@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Paola,
> When you talk about studying the brain as a whole are you talking about a
> live, functioning brain in situ, or a whole dead brain?
>
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> > -----Original Message-----
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> > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 11:55 PM
> > To: clynch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; [ontolog-forum]
> > Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] brainwaves (WAS: to concept or not to
> > concept, is this a question?)
> >
> > Thanks Clynch
> >
> > I understand what you say perfectly well, and you are right, I am not
> > a neuroscientist
> > I do respect your profession, and I am sure there is value in
> > dissection but in my non expert view dissection can only study some
> > physical aspects of the brain. (ie enable to better look at the
> > individual bits) The 'logical' functions of the brain (the mental
> > abilities) I dont think you can study by looking at the pieces
> > Please correct me
> >
> > PDM
> >
> >
> > On Dec 18, 2007 11:44 AM, clynch <clynch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > PDM,
> > >
> > > If you had ever seen a human brain in situ or on a dissecting plate
> > and
> > > looked at a section of the amygdala under an electron microscope, I
> > doubt
> > > you would have your opinion that the brain "should be studied as a
> > whole".
> > > This is like studying an orange seed from the outside of an unpeeled
> > orange
> > > or deducing behavior of an electron by looking at a piece of wood,
> > only more
> > > limiting.
> > >
> > > >From the discussions I have seen posted, I cannot deduce your area
> > of
> > > expertise, but one of mine is medicine and neuroendocrinology, and I
> > assure
> > > you are incorrect in this instance.
> > >
> > > Cecil Lynch
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> > > paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx
> > > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 8:27 PM
> > > To: [ontolog-forum]
> > > Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] brainwaves (WAS: to concept or not to
> > > concept,is this a question?)
> > >
> > >
> > > On Dec 18, 2007 7:57 AM, Pat Hayes <phayes@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >
> > > > . Even if one were given a complete
> > > > (dead) mammalian brain, there is no conceivable
> > > > way to reconstruct all the neural connections in
> > > > it, since the total cross-section of a neuron's
> > > > end branchings greatly exceeds that of its axon,
> > > > and these neurons are tightly packed in the
> > > > cortex. Any way to 'take it apart' to find all
> > > > the neurons, therefore, would of necessity
> > > > involve breaking the connections which hold them
> > > > together. Put another way: its impossible to
> > > > assemble (or disassemble) a brain; it has to be
> > > > grown.
> > >
> > > This is precisely why I think the brain should be studied as a whole,
> > and
> > > not in its puree or minced form.
> > > Thats the only way the neural paths (folk. 'brainwave') can be
> > observed,
> > >
> > > I hate to think like Frankenstein , but I bet you can induce some
> > > level of passive activity in a coma brain by passing some tiny
> > > frequencies. (not ac/dc I guess)
> > > I ll have to remember to do that experiment next time I come across a
> > coma
> > >
> > > <grin>
> > >
> > > PDM
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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