I have to agree with Peter. While I do not speak for Microsoft, I will
point out that Microsoft has joined and participates in many TC's in OASIS.
In fact, they are one of the top sponsor of OASIS. (01)
Let's make sure we make accurate statements here. (02)
Duane (03)
On 10/21/07 10:22 AM, "Peter F Brown" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: (04)
> John:
> Far be it for me to blow someone else's trumpet, but I guess MSFT guys
> are unlikely to be very frequent observers or participants on this
> forum.
>
> Where is your evidence for the claim that "MSFT was invited to join
> OASIS, but they refused"? If you look at
> http://www.oasis-open.org/about/index.php you will see that MSFT is a
> sponsor-level member of OASIS and has been for many years. . It is also
> active in many OASIS technical committees and adheres to OASIS' quite
> extensive intellectual property policies, including the commitment to
> open standards.
>
> Some other errors:
> - OpenOffice supports the OASIS *specification* but not the ISO
> *standard*;
> - OpenOffice does not support "all the functionality normal people ever
> use" - what an arrogant assumption! I use footnotes and bulleted lists
> extensively, does that make me abnormal? "Ordinary users" use maybe only
> 2-3% of any office productivity system, but never the *same* 2-3%:
> - MSFT Office imports from and exports to ODF, and exports (very fast)
> to PDF;
>
> This sort of FUD really does no credit to anyone promoting open source
> solutions.
>
> Further, I think you make the casual and common mistake of fusing the
> discrete issues of "standards" and "interoperability": they are not the
> same thing. Standards *enable* interoperability by providing stable,
> predictable, governed and sustained interfaces, upon which
> interoperability can be subsequently built. That's why, IMO, Linux has a
> problem in take up in the public sector - because there are too many
> flavours and not enough governance - a nightmare for interoperability.
>
> Arguing that interoperability can be achieved by a single,
> one-size-fits-all, standard is nonsense. I don't insist that the USA and
> other regions of the world rip out all their electricity infrastructure
> and replace it with the good European 230V standard, just so that I can
> achieve interoperability, I go and buy a cheapo adapter - job done. The
> market is in adapters (like the converters you mention) not in
> eliminating competition between standards which - in the case of ODF and
> OOXML - offer different functionalities and benefits for different
> audiences and needs.
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John F.
> Sowa
> Sent: 19 October 2007 21:48
> To: [ontolog-forum]
> Subject: [ontolog-forum] Free viewer for PowerPoint 2007
>
>> The slides work fine, but only if you use PowerPoint 2007.
>>
>> I suspect they were created in Office 2007.
>
> In order to propagate their monopoly, Microsoft kindly provides
> free viewers for all their Office products. Following is the
> 2007 version of the PowerPoint viewer:
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=048DC840-14E1-4
> 67D-8DCA-19D2A8FD7485&displaylang=en&hurl=536FDB142340FF5644AD7A4A6C275C
> 12&QueryID=reICSjOC30&respos=1&rt=3&pid=CD102070641033
> Download details: PowerPoint Viewer 2007
>
> I worked for a major monopolist (IBM) during the years when they
> were at their monopolistic worst. I tried to open things up from
> the inside, but failed. But in the end, IBM caused multibillions
> of dollars of damage to the entire industry by their tactics --
> and they damaged themselves more than anybody else. IBM finally
> got religion after a near-death experience before Lou Gerstner
> saved them.
>
> I urge everyone -- even Microsofties -- to support open standards.
> MSFT was invited to join OASIS, but they refused. Until they do,
> I believe it is not only bad policy, but *morally* wrong to support
> their monopoly.
>
> I strongly recommend that people use OpenOffice for generating *all*
> office requirements:
>
> 1. OpenOffice (and Sun Office) support the OASIS standards --
> but MSFT does not.
>
> 2. OOO provides all the functionality normal people ever use.
>
> 3. OOO can export to all major formats:
>
> - MSFT formats: .doc, .xls, .ppt.
>
> - PDF formats (the PDF output for slides can be viewed full
> screen on any computer and they are much more compact
> than .ppt slides).
>
> - LaTeX formats -- which are very useful for submissions
> to many journals.
>
> 4. I have never had any problems importing and collaborating
> with people who pay $$$$ through their noses for MS Office.
>
> 5. And the freebie viewers ensure that even the most arcane
> MSFT files can be viewed (much more rapidly than with
> the bloated MS office).
>
> John Sowa
>
>
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