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From: "Dennis L. Thomas" <DLThomas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 08:52:32 -0800
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Hello Deborah,

It sounds like you are confronted with the fundamental scalability problem of capturing knowledge - the stuff that is both metaphysical and physical and spans across all dimensions of time and space.  As John A. Bateman suggests, this challenge falls within the realm of ontological mediation, the world of primitive thought, not language.

I see this as a two fold problem.  First, there is no known technology on the market that can scale to integrate/relate all the variables inherent within knowledge rich mediating domains, such as culture.    And secondly, I doubt that human culture is the product of logic.  To me, culture, biology, physics and nature are about discovery, cause and effect and the quantum world at its highest granularity.  

John, I would be very interested in your paper on Spatial Cognition.

Regards to all, Dennis 


On Jan 17, 2007, at 4:30 AM, Deborah MacPherson wrote:

Thanks John and Carl.  I work with architectural specifications and typically use MasterFormat 2004, Uniformat II and sometimes OmniClass. I believe the Industry Foundation Classes (IFC) is the preferred standard used in between construction document standards and geographic standards such as OGC. Building Information Modelling (BIM) aims to interoperate with all the above some day in the future.

An ontology I am really looking for, or want to develop. is a method of mapping between sets of standards using time, location, and data's actual use. For example, say you had a museum in a standardized geographic location and the building is modeled in BIM, the real museum is in a country with a culture, the objects in the museum were made and interpreted by that culture for one reason or another at different points in time. Could virtual places also be made to apply real world standards such as OGC and IFC to organize the collection databases as well? Tell the story of places through their buildings and displayed objects using systems probably made for different purposes. Get the whole process into an easy language, an ontology, so curators and others who have data to share can place it where they think it belongs.

Any recommendations on ontologies made to span across and connect disciplines using each areas own sets of standards?

On 1/17/07, John A. Bateman <bateman@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On 1/15/07, Carl Reed OGC Account < creed@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> The reason I
>> ask is that there is a tremendous amount of standards work already done that
>> allows simple _expression_ of location. There is also an excellent standard
>> for expressing location and temporal location.

And for those who are looking for
more than the "simple _expression_ of location",
I refer newcomers to the pointers in the 'Spatial Ontology Baseline'
given at:

http://www.ontospace.uni-bremen.de/twiki/bin/view/Main/ProjectDeliverables

John Bateman

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