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From: Duane Nickull <dnickull@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 08:59:20 -0700
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I am going to briefly weigh in on this proposal.  All ontological project
suffer the same issues with respect to the semantic declarations vs. the
perception to the resource consumer.  If I take a resource and state that it
pertains to "foo", that is my opinion.  Without the context to fully frame
"foo", my declaration is suboptimal for those looking at Foo differently.
Some more tangible samples include things like "rental car" vs. "hired
vehicle".  One if contextual to the UK while the other we use in NA.    (01)

RICE (Resources, Inference, Claims, Entities)    (02)

What would really be required is a pattern for reconciliation of the
consumer experience with the resource to measure the degree of
successfulness perceived in the semantic declaration.   The mechanism would
work as follows:    (03)

1. An entity examines a resource and makes a determination about its'
content.    (04)

2. The entity serializes the claims about the resource and makes them
visible to others.    (05)

3. Other entities who are seeking resources may examine the claims about a
resource and if deemed suitable, can then examine the resource themselves.    (06)

4. Some mechanism should monitor the other entity's interactions with the
resource and provide inferred hypothesis about how accurate the claims are
that were made by the first entity.    (07)

5. After examining multiple instances of resources, claims and entity
interactions, further inferences could be made about which resources are
most relevant to the entities for the specific claim terms.    (08)

If course, many of you who are smarter have realized I just described Google
;-)    (09)

Here is the pattern I am working on for a book on Web 2.0 (attached).  Would
love to have comments.    (010)

Duane    (011)


On 8/15/06 8:48 PM, "Roy Roebuck" <Roy.Roebuck@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:    (012)

> I agree.  This is the technology base that my long standing proposal on one
> world information system as evolved to over the years.
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> Hi Owen,
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> <Quote>
> we only need ONE "database", i.e., the Web populated with valid XML
> instance documents.
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> Yes - and more specifically, in RDF and OWL as well.
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> Joe
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> Several years ago at an eGov conference in Washington, DC, Larry Ellison
> (being Larry Ellison) made the intentionally provocative statement:  "We
> sell databases and you (government agencies) are buying too many of
> them."
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> His argument was that we should be implementing *larger* databases --
> Oracle databases, of course.
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> However, I would take his argument one step further to suggest that we
> only need ONE "database", i.e., the Web populated with valid XML
> instance documents.
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> Needless to say, I too am overstating the case to be provocative.
> However, I do believe there is much truth in my argument.
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> Owen Ambur
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> Thank you for the post, Tanya.
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> 1. Problem with registration: I'll try to resolve this with you offline.
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> 2. Database and Ontologies:
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>> [TM] I am very interested to participate in discussions and  >
> research about merging databases and ontologies, bringing  > database
> practices to ontological development and other  > issues related to
> databases and ontologies.
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> [ppy] presumably, (almost) anything related to ontologies would be
> within scope for us at Ontolog. Obviously how database and ontologies
> relate to each other in the next generation semantic/knowledge-based
> applications would be an area well worth
>   delving into.
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> Let's find out who else is interested ... ANYONE?
> Like what Tatiana has done here, if anyone is interested or working in
> this area, please indicate by responding to this thread, and suggest
> what you want to see and/or what you can bring to the table, as far as
> this topic is concerned.
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> ... Being a community of practice (ref:
> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?CommunityofPractice) this topic
> will get addressed if there is adequate interest and energy behind it
> from the community.
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> Thanks you for highlighting this important topic, Tanya.
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> Regards.  =ppy
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> Tatiana Malyuta wrote Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:51:30 -0400:
>> Peter,
>> 
>> I am terribly sorry to bother you with such silly things. I wanted to
>> participate in the conference calls and many times tried to register
>> at the site that is in the bottom of your invitation emails. However,
>> I failed to do so. I emailed the Customer Support of the site, but
>> haven't recieved any response. That is why I haven't participated and
>> did not respond to the invitations.
>> 
>> Maybe you could tell me what possibly I am doing wrong.
>> 
>> In general, I am very interested to participate in discussions and
>> research about merging databases and ontologies, bringing database
>> practices to ontological development and other issues related to
>> databases and ontologies. Can you direct my here? Please disregard if
>> you are not involved with this.
>> 
>> Sorry again and thank you,
>> 
>> Tanya
>> 
>> P.S. Please disregard the previous email--I hit Enter by mistake.
> Sorry.
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