Hi Duane, (01)
<Quote>
According to most common definitions of the terms, information is either
structured or unstructured. How can it be "semi-structured"? If is has some
structure, then it is structured ipso facto.
</Quote> (02)
Not intending to sidetrack us: The FEA Data Reference Model (DRM) defines a
semi-structured data resource as "A Digital Data Resource containing
semi-structured data. This will generally consist in part of structured data
and in part of unstructured data.". See p.23 of [1] for definition of Digital
Data Resource, and p.21 for the Data Description abstract model that includes
these concepts. (03)
Joe (04)
[1] http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/egov/documents/DRM_2_0_Final.pdf (05)
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Subject: Re: Database and Ontologies [was-Re: [ontolog-forum] A problem] (08)
Some clarifications: (09)
According to most common definitions of the terms, information is either
structured or unstructured. How can it be "semi-structured"? If is has some
structure, then it is structured ipso facto. (010)
What is more relevant to programmers for structured information is determinism. (011)
The data dictionary approach has been largely discredited based on the
mathematical explosion of contexts or general lack of context and the age old
"you say toe-may-toe; I say Tah-ma-toe" issue. Some improvements have been
made in recent years such as the UN/CEFACT Core Components Technical
Specifications Context methodology and the notion of structured terms (comes
from UDEF). Both of these can incrementally improve the overall chances of
such a dictionary succeeding but a dictionary by itself should fail to scale. (012)
UN/CEFACT's contribution included an 8 dimensional matrix to overlay a mapping
from a abstract conceptual classes to the instances of ontologcical classes.
UDEF's useful contribution was the notion of using structured terms for
denoting ontological concepts. Although the current iteration of UDEF had some
flaws, the structured terms are very valuable IMO. If I give you a word like
"unmorgiddable", because of its' inferred structure (the un at the beginning
and the "able" as a suffix), you might get a general clue as to what it means
even though the root "morgidd" is not defined. (013)
Of course, take this all with a grain of salt. I think the entire field is
still in its' infancy. (014)
Duane (015)
On 8/16/06 5:45 AM, "Roy Roebuck" <Roy.Roebuck@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: (016)
> I would submit that a domain or broader enterprise thesaurus may be
> used as a form of advanced "data element dictionary" regarding the
> database metadata and as the "unifying" foundation for the full
> vocabulary present in the domain or enterprise-bounded unstructured,
> semi-structured, and structured content (metadata and data).
>
> As part of that, selecting a definition for each thesaurus entry from
> an online dictionary such as WordNet, or adding your own definition
> (e.g., using Pat Cassidy's recent tool for building commonly
> understandable definitions using LDOCE, referenced below) would give you the
>specific "sense or meaning"
> of each thesaurus term in a given use or context. It would also give
> you the means to identify "synonyms" and such of each term, as well as
> the "enterprise-preferred" and "domain-variant" terms. This puts you
> into the position to technically implement multi-lingual (as well as
> multi-domain) term translation.
>
> Then you start a "term refinement and standardization process" as part
> of a normal improvement, development, modernization, and enhancement
> effort, all within a more encompassing spiral life cycle management
> process for the domain or enterprise, encompassing the value-chain of
> the enterprise within its environment. I have diagrams and such on
> this generalized-management-process spiral life cycle for anyone that
> is interested, available at no cost under a Creative Commons license.
>
> See ANSI/NISO Z39.19-2005 ISBN 1-880124-65-3, Guidelines for the
> Construction, Format, and Management of Monolingual Controlled
> Vocabularies. There are also related ISO standards for monolingual
> and multi-lingual controlled vocabularies.
>
> See Longman's Dictionary of Contemporary English (also called LDOCE.
> Longman Publishers Ltd., London: http://pewebdic2.cw.idm.fr/)
>
> Roy
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> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Marcel
> van Mackelenbergh
> Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 6:12 AM
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> Subject: RE: Database and Ontologies [was-Re: [ontolog-forum] A
> problem]
>
> Hi,
>
> I would like to join the merge-database/ontologies challenge. What I
> would like to understand is what an agent needs to do to interpret
> correctly what is meant by the information in the database/ontology. I
> want to prevent that information is interpreted in the wrong way
> because the agent did not have the context for which the information
> was developed.
>
> Marcel
>
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>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ontolog-forum-
>> bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter P. Yim
>> Sent: dinsdag 15 augustus 2006 17:26
>> To: [ontolog-forum]
>> Subject: Database and Ontologies [was-Re: [ontolog-forum] A problem]
>>
>> Thank you for the post, Tanya.
>>
>> 1. Problem with registration: I'll try to resolve this with you
>> offline.
>>
>> 2. Database and Ontologies:
>>
>>> [TM] I am very interested to participate in discussions and research
>>> about merging databases and ontologies, bringing database practices
>>> to ontological development and other issues related to databases and
>>> ontologies.
>>
>> [ppy] presumably, (almost) anything related to ontologies would be
>> within scope for us at Ontolog. Obviously how database and ontologies
>> relate to each other in the next generation semantic/knowledge-based
>> applications would be an area well worth
>> delving into.
>>
>> Let's find out who else is interested ... ANYONE?
>> Like what Tatiana has done here, if anyone is interested or working
>> in this area, please indicate by responding to this thread, and
>> suggest what you want to see and/or what you can bring to the table,
>> as far as this topic is concerned.
>>
>> ... Being a community of practice (ref:
>> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?CommunityofPractice) this
>> topic will get addressed if there is adequate interest and energy
>> behind it from the community.
>>
>> Thanks you for highlighting this important topic, Tanya.
>>
>> Regards. =ppy
>> --
>>
>>
>> Tatiana Malyuta wrote Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:51:30 -0400:
>>> Peter,
>>>
>>> I am terribly sorry to bother you with such silly things. I wanted
> to
>>> participate in the conference calls and many times tried to register
> at
>>> the site that is in the bottom of your invitation emails. However, I
>>> failed to do so. I emailed the Customer Support of the site, but
> haven't
>>> recieved any response. That is why I haven't participated and did
> not
>>> respond to the invitations.
>>>
>>> Maybe you could tell me what possibly I am doing wrong.
>>>
>>> In general, I am very interested to participate in discussions and
>>> research about merging databases and ontologies, bringing database
>>> practices to ontological development and other issues related to
>>> databases and ontologies. Can you direct my here? Please disregard
> if
>>> you are not involved with this.
>>>
>>> Sorry again and thank you,
>>>
>>> Tanya
>>>
>>> P.S. Please disregard the previous email--I hit Enter by mistake.
> Sorry.
>>
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