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Dear
Colleagues,
My
work at Shell is mostly about using ontology to improve the way we manage our
data in databases including data modelling and database design. I've been
working in that area for 25-30 years now (not always called ontology of
course).
I
agree with Mike about the roles of relational databases and XML. Databases are
good for storage and retreival of large volumes of data, XML is good for
serialization (and transmission) of relatively complex data. We need
both.
Regards
Matthew West
Reference Data Architecture and
Standards Manager
Shell International Petroleum Company Limited
Shell
Centre, London SE1 7NA, United Kingdom
Tel: +44 20 7934 4490 Mobile: +44
7796 336538
Email: matthew.west@xxxxxxxxx
http://www.shell.com
http://www.matthew-west.org.uk/
Hi Folks,
I don't see Semantic web technologies replacing
relational databases but as being the glue between them. In other words, for
the abstraction level above the database - that which also binds it to other
types of data assets.
Regards,
-
Mike
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15 17:06:45 2006
Subject: RE: Database and Ontologies [was-Re:
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Hi Owen,
<Quote>
we only
need ONE "database", i.e., the Web populated with valid XML
instance
documents.
</Quote>
Yes - and more specifically, in RDF and
OWL as well.
Joe
Joseph Chiusano
Associate
Booz Allen
Hamilton
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Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 4:50
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To: [ontolog-forum]
Subject: Re: Database and Ontologies [was-Re:
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Several years ago at an
eGov conference in Washington, DC, Larry Ellison
(being Larry Ellison) made
the intentionally provocative statement: "We
sell databases and you
(government agencies) are buying too many of
them."
His argument was
that we should be implementing *larger* databases --
Oracle databases, of
course.
However, I would take his argument one step further to suggest
that we
only need ONE "database", i.e., the Web populated with valid
XML
instance documents.
Needless to say, I too am overstating the
case to be provocative.
However, I do believe there is much truth in my
argument.
Owen Ambur
Co-Chair, xmlCoP http://xml.gov/
Project Manager, ET.gov http://et.gov/
"Peter P.
Yim"
<peter.yim@xxxxxx
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AM
Please respond
to
"[ontolog-forum]
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tolog.cim3.net>
Thank you for the
post, Tanya.
1. Problem with registration: I'll try to resolve this
with you offline.
2. Database and Ontologies:
> [TM] I
am very interested to participate in discussions and >
research
about merging databases and ontologies, bringing >
database
practices to ontological development and other > issues
related to
databases and ontologies.
[ppy] presumably, (almost)
anything related to ontologies would be
within scope for us at Ontolog.
Obviously how database and ontologies
relate to each other in the next
generation semantic/knowledge-based
applications would be an area well
worth
delving into.
Let's find out who else is interested ...
ANYONE?
Like what Tatiana has done here, if anyone is interested or working
in
this area, please indicate by responding to this thread, and
suggest
what you want to see and/or what you can bring to the table, as far
as
this topic is concerned.
... Being a community of practice
(ref:
http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?CommunityofPractice)
this topic
will get addressed if there is adequate interest and energy
behind it
from the community.
Thanks you for highlighting this
important topic, Tanya.
Regards. =ppy
--
Tatiana
Malyuta wrote Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:51:30 -0400:
> Peter,
>
>
I am terribly sorry to bother you with such silly things. I wanted to
>
participate in the conference calls and many times tried to register
>
at the site that is in the bottom of your invitation emails. However,
>
I failed to do so. I emailed the Customer Support of the site, but
>
haven't recieved any response. That is why I haven't participated and
>
did not respond to the invitations.
>
> Maybe you could tell me
what possibly I am doing wrong.
>
> In general, I am very
interested to participate in discussions and
> research about merging
databases and ontologies, bringing database
> practices to ontological
development and other issues related to
> databases and ontologies. Can
you direct my here? Please disregard if
> you are not involved with
this.
>
> Sorry again and thank you,
>
>
Tanya
>
> P.S. Please disregard the previous email--I hit Enter by
mistake.
Sorry.
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