Rex (and others): (01)
Do you see any value in me contributing my yet unfinished paper on N'ary
relationships to this group to complete? I haven't had the time to donate
to it. Is the Ontolog Forum's IPR policy sufficient that it can accept such
work? (02)
Duane (03)
On 8/16/06 6:57 AM, "Rex Brooks" <rexb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: (04)
> I find this thread curiously satisfying, since it is covering a
> number of developments I have been involved with and/or following for
> several years now. The mention of Siderean Seamark, about which I
> learned a little last year, and the notion of quads, in addition to
> triples leads to what I happen to think is the next major task that
> needs to be tackled (most likely by the W3C), namely moving RDF from
> "triples" to "tuples" to pave the way for "n-ary databases." However,
> before that could be made to work through the open agent architecture
> from SRI
>
> http://www.ai.sri.com/oaa/
>
> we need a way for webservers to set basic access permissions to
> secure, but conditional modes because as of now the defaults prevent
> agents/crawlers from indexing documents other than the index.xhtml
> (or .html) and that prevents automating the construction of
> large-scale knowledge bases that span the web.
>
> Cheers,
> Rex
>
> At 5:34 PM -0400 8/15/06, Arsic, Antoinette wrote:
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>> I recently got an evaluation copy of Seamark (by Siderean) which
>> pulls from databases, urls, xml, you practically name it, and
>> through an xslt template they "turn everything" into RDF triples
>> (and quads). I just got some development training from them and
>> unfortunately my funding for working on that project was pulled. It
>> would be nice to have a chance to do something with it.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Antoinette Arsic
>> The MITRE Corporation
>>
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>>
>> From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike
>> Daconta
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 5:11 PM
>> To: ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: Database and Ontologies [was-Re: [ontolog-forum] A problem]
>>
>> Hi Folks,
>> I don't see Semantic web technologies replacing relational databases
>> but as being the glue between them. In other words, for the
>> abstraction level above the database - that which also binds it to
>> other types of data assets.
>> Regards,
>> - Mike
>> --------------------------
>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> To: [ontolog-forum]
>> Sent: Tue Aug 15 17:06:45 2006
>> Subject: RE: Database and Ontologies [was-Re: [ontolog-forum] A problem]
>>
>> Hi Owen,
>>
>> <Quote>
>> we only need ONE "database", i.e., the Web populated with valid XML
>> instance documents.
>> </Quote>
>>
>> Yes - and more specifically, in RDF and OWL as well.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> Joseph Chiusano
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [<mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@
>> ontolog.cim3.net]
>> On Behalf Of
>> Owen_Ambur@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 4:50 PM
>> To: [ontolog-forum]
>> Subject: Re: Database and Ontologies [was-Re: [ontolog-forum] A problem]
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>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> Several years ago at an eGov conference in Washington, DC, Larry Ellison
>> (being Larry Ellison) made the intentionally provocative statement: "We
>> sell databases and you (government agencies) are buying too many of
>> them."
>>
>> His argument was that we should be implementing *larger* databases --
>> Oracle databases, of course.
>>
>> However, I would take his argument one step further to suggest that we
>> only need ONE "database", i.e., the Web populated with valid XML
>> instance documents.
>>
>> Needless to say, I too am overstating the case to be provocative.
>> However, I do believe there is much truth in my argument.
>>
>> Owen Ambur
>> Co-Chair, xmlCoP <http://xml.gov/>http://xml.gov/
>> Project Manager, ET.gov <http://et.gov/>http://et.gov/
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>>
>> "Peter P. Yim"
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>> <peter.yim@xxxxxx
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>> om>
>> To
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>> Subject
>> Database and Ontologies [was-Re:
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>> 08/15/2006 11:25 [ontolog-forum] A problem]
>>
>> AM
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>>
>>
>> Please respond to
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>> "[ontolog-forum]
>>
>> "
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>> <ontolog-forum@on
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>> tolog.cim3.net>
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>>
>> Thank you for the post, Tanya.
>>
>> 1. Problem with registration: I'll try to resolve this with you offline.
>>
>> 2. Database and Ontologies:
>>
>>> [TM] I am very interested to participate in discussions and >
>> research about merging databases and ontologies, bringing > database
>> practices to ontological development and other > issues related to
>> databases and ontologies.
>>
>> [ppy] presumably, (almost) anything related to ontologies would be
>> within scope for us at Ontolog. Obviously how database and ontologies
>> relate to each other in the next generation semantic/knowledge-based
>> applications would be an area well worth
>> delving into.
>>
>> Let's find out who else is interested ... ANYONE?
>> Like what Tatiana has done here, if anyone is interested or working in
>> this area, please indicate by responding to this thread, and suggest
>> what you want to see and/or what you can bring to the table, as far as
>> this topic is concerned.
>>
>> ... Being a community of practice (ref:
>> <http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?CommunityofPractice>http://ontolog.c
>> im3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?CommunityofPractice)
>> this topic
>> will get addressed if there is adequate interest and energy behind it
>> from the community.
>>
>> Thanks you for highlighting this important topic, Tanya.
>>
>> Regards. =ppy
>> --
>>
>>
>> Tatiana Malyuta wrote Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:51:30 -0400:
>>> Peter,
>>>
>>> I am terribly sorry to bother you with such silly things. I wanted to
>>> participate in the conference calls and many times tried to register
>>> at the site that is in the bottom of your invitation emails. However,
>>> I failed to do so. I emailed the Customer Support of the site, but
>>> haven't recieved any response. That is why I haven't participated and
>>> did not respond to the invitations.
>>>
>>> Maybe you could tell me what possibly I am doing wrong.
>>>
>>> In general, I am very interested to participate in discussions and
>>> research about merging databases and ontologies, bringing database
>>> practices to ontological development and other issues related to
>>> databases and ontologies. Can you direct my here? Please disregard if
>>> you are not involved with this.
>>>
>>> Sorry again and thank you,
>>>
>>> Tanya
>>>
>>> P.S. Please disregard the previous email--I hit Enter by mistake.
>> Sorry.
>>
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