I find this thread curiously satisfying, since it is covering a
number of developments I have been involved with and/or following for
several years now. The mention of Siderean Seamark, about which I
learned a little last year, and the notion of quads, in addition to
triples leads to what I happen to think is the next major task that
needs to be tackled (most likely by the W3C), namely moving RDF from
"triples" to "tuples" to pave the way for "n-ary databases." However,
before that could be made to work through the open agent architecture
from SRI (01)
http://www.ai.sri.com/oaa/ (02)
we need a way for webservers to set basic access permissions to
secure, but conditional modes because as of now the defaults prevent
agents/crawlers from indexing documents other than the index.xhtml
(or .html) and that prevents automating the construction of
large-scale knowledge bases that span the web. (03)
Cheers,
Rex (04)
At 5:34 PM -0400 8/15/06, Arsic, Antoinette wrote:
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>I recently got an evaluation copy of Seamark (by Siderean) which
>pulls from databases, urls, xml, you practically name it, and
>through an xslt template they "turn everything" into RDF triples
>(and quads). I just got some development training from them and
>unfortunately my funding for working on that project was pulled. It
>would be nice to have a chance to do something with it.
>
>------------------------------
>Antoinette Arsic
>The MITRE Corporation
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>From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike
>Daconta
>Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 5:11 PM
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>Subject: Re: Database and Ontologies [was-Re: [ontolog-forum] A problem]
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>Hi Folks,
>I don't see Semantic web technologies replacing relational databases
>but as being the glue between them. In other words, for the
>abstraction level above the database - that which also binds it to
>other types of data assets.
>Regards,
>- Mike
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>Hi Owen,
>
><Quote>
>we only need ONE "database", i.e., the Web populated with valid XML
>instance documents.
></Quote>
>
>Yes - and more specifically, in RDF and OWL as well.
>
>Joe
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>Several years ago at an eGov conference in Washington, DC, Larry Ellison
>(being Larry Ellison) made the intentionally provocative statement: "We
>sell databases and you (government agencies) are buying too many of
>them."
>
>His argument was that we should be implementing *larger* databases --
>Oracle databases, of course.
>
>However, I would take his argument one step further to suggest that we
>only need ONE "database", i.e., the Web populated with valid XML
>instance documents.
>
>Needless to say, I too am overstating the case to be provocative.
>However, I do believe there is much truth in my argument.
>
>Owen Ambur
>Co-Chair, xmlCoP <http://xml.gov/>http://xml.gov/
>Project Manager, ET.gov <http://et.gov/>http://et.gov/
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> 08/15/2006 11:25 [ontolog-forum] A problem]
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> AM
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> Please respond to
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> "
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> <ontolog-forum@on
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>Thank you for the post, Tanya.
>
>1. Problem with registration: I'll try to resolve this with you offline.
>
>2. Database and Ontologies:
>
> > [TM] I am very interested to participate in discussions and >
>research about merging databases and ontologies, bringing > database
>practices to ontological development and other > issues related to
>databases and ontologies.
>
>[ppy] presumably, (almost) anything related to ontologies would be
>within scope for us at Ontolog. Obviously how database and ontologies
>relate to each other in the next generation semantic/knowledge-based
>applications would be an area well worth
> delving into.
>
>Let's find out who else is interested ... ANYONE?
>Like what Tatiana has done here, if anyone is interested or working in
>this area, please indicate by responding to this thread, and suggest
>what you want to see and/or what you can bring to the table, as far as
>this topic is concerned.
>
>... Being a community of practice (ref:
><http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?CommunityofPractice>http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?CommunityofPractice)
>
>this topic
>will get addressed if there is adequate interest and energy behind it
>from the community.
>
>Thanks you for highlighting this important topic, Tanya.
>
>Regards. =ppy
>--
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>Tatiana Malyuta wrote Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:51:30 -0400:
>> Peter,
>>
>> I am terribly sorry to bother you with such silly things. I wanted to
>> participate in the conference calls and many times tried to register
>> at the site that is in the bottom of your invitation emails. However,
>> I failed to do so. I emailed the Customer Support of the site, but
>> haven't recieved any response. That is why I haven't participated and
>> did not respond to the invitations.
>>
>> Maybe you could tell me what possibly I am doing wrong.
>>
>> In general, I am very interested to participate in discussions and
>> research about merging databases and ontologies, bringing database
>> practices to ontological development and other issues related to
>> databases and ontologies. Can you direct my here? Please disregard if
>> you are not involved with this.
>>
>> Sorry again and thank you,
>>
>> Tanya
>>
>> P.S. Please disregard the previous email--I hit Enter by mistake.
>Sorry.
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