Sounds good ... appreciate that! =ppy
-- (01)
Duane Nickull wrote Wed, 15 Jun 2005 19:45:11 -0700:
> I'll try. I know Bill well from various projects and admire his work.
> My schedule has me traveling via Bart from downtown SF to SFO so there
> is a chance if reception allows. (02)
> Peter Yim wrote Wed, 15 Jun 2005 18:19:20 -0700:
>
>> It would really be nice to have you at the "Service Sciences"
>> technical discussion session. Any chance you can call in (for the 2
>> hours) even when you are on the road, Duane?
>>
>> =ppy
>> -- (03)
>> Duane Nickull wrote Wed, 15 Jun 2005 17:57:32 -0700:
>>
>>> Peter:
>>>
>>> I will be on tomorrow but absent from the next two due to travel
>>> (Geneva, Java One). Anyone else going to Java One June 27-30?
>>>
>>> Duane
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Peter Yim wrote:
>>>
>>>> Our scheduled Technical Discussion for Thu 2005.06.30, moderated by
>>>> Bill McCarthy, is on the subject of "Service Sciences". That would
>>>> be an ideal platform to "discuss" this - WSMO & SWSF - if someone
>>>> attending the session can talk about it intelligently. Timing-wise,
>>>> it may be too soon, though.
>>>>
>>>> Do we have anyone who can do that, and is planning to come to the
>>>> 6/30 session? Any suggestion?
>>>>
>>>> =ppy
>>>>
>>>> P.S. ... just helping keep track of the acronyms:
>>>>
>>>> WSMO = Web Service Modeling Ontology -
>>>> http://www.w3.org/Submission/2005/SUBM-WSMO-20050603/
>>>> http://www.w3.org/2005/04/FSWS/Submissions/1/wsmo_v10.pdf
>>>>
>>>> SWSF = Semantic Web Services Framework -
>>>> http://www.daml.org/services/swsf/1.0/overview/
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nicolas F Rouquette wrote Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:57:35 -0700:
>>>>
>>>>> It might be good to have a planning discussion about this.
>>>>>
>>>>> There could be 3 options:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) presentation of WSMO
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) presentation of SWSF
>>>>>
>>>>> 3) the practical and strategic aspects of using WSMO and/or SWSF,
>>>>> for what, when, etc...
>>>>>
>>>>> Personally, 1) + 2) would be a weak approximation of the concerns
>>>>> that arise w.r.t. 3), the "real" issue.
>>>>> As I menitioned earlier, if you read some of the fine print in the
>>>>> WSMO and SWSF docs, there is
>>>>> important wisdom and caution that the people behind the spec
>>>>> believe is important enough to
>>>>> mention explicitly in these specs. However, it is difficult for
>>>>> non-experts to have enough depth
>>>>> about these related specs to make heads & tails of these bits and
>>>>> pieces of wisdom to go through
>>>>> a checklist of questions/answers to decide which of these
>>>>> approaches is better suited to a given problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not saying we can expect magic answers but we could start to
>>>>> ask the folks in WSMO and SWSF
>>>>> to help us organize a discussion where we could start a simple
>>>>> checklist of, say, the top ten questions
>>>>> they would advise/recommend practitioners to think about in
>>>>> choosing one vs. the other and some kind
>>>>> of illustration/example to get an intuitive feel to relate these
>>>>> questions to someone's own concerns/project/task/work...
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Nicolas.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Duane Nickull wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you Peter, Nicolas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> M. Yim, would you consider placing an subject on our next agenda
>>>>>> to discuss a possible invitation to the gentlemen below to present
>>>>>> to our Group?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Duane
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Peter F Brown wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Duane:
>>>>>>> WSMO was presented in detail last week at the W3 semantic web
>>>>>>> services
>>>>>>> workshop in Innsbruck, Austria - WSMO's "home base", as it is
>>>>>>> largely
>>>>>>> promoted by the Innsbruck-based Digital Enterprise Research
>>>>>>> Institute
>>>>>>> (DERI), with considerable support from the European Commission.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is some concern about the pressure being mounted by DERI to
>>>>>>> have WSMO
>>>>>>> "adopted as a standard" (although not clear by whom: W3C?). The
>>>>>>> European
>>>>>>> Commission will be looking at this over the coming months.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is a good overview of WSMO at:
>>>>>>> http://www.w3.org/2005/04/FSWS/Submissions/1/wsmo_v10.pdf used at
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> workshop. It might be worth contacting John Domingue from the UK
>>>>>>> Open
>>>>>>> University, who made the presentation, and with whom I had a
>>>>>>> couple of bried
>>>>>>> talks during the activity.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Peter
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>> Duane Nickull
>>>>>>> Sent: 11 June 2005 01:18
>>>>>>> To: [ontolog-forum]
>>>>>>> Subject: [ontolog-forum] Modeling Ontology
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyone have any comments or thoughts on this:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.w3.org/Submission/2005/SUBM-WSMO-20050603/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Might be an idea to extend an invite for a presentation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Duane Nickull
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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