Peter: (01)
I will be on tomorrow but absent from the next two due to travel
(Geneva, Java One). Anyone else going to Java One June 27-30? (02)
Duane (03)
Peter Yim wrote: (04)
> Our scheduled Technical Discussion for Thu 2005.06.30, moderated by
> Bill McCarthy, is on the subject of "Service Sciences". That would be
> an ideal platform to "discuss" this - WSMO & SWSF - if someone
> attending the session can talk about it intelligently. Timing-wise, it
> may be too soon, though.
>
> Do we have anyone who can do that, and is planning to come to the 6/30
> session? Any suggestion?
>
> =ppy
>
> P.S. ... just helping keep track of the acronyms:
>
> WSMO = Web Service Modeling Ontology -
> http://www.w3.org/Submission/2005/SUBM-WSMO-20050603/
> http://www.w3.org/2005/04/FSWS/Submissions/1/wsmo_v10.pdf
>
> SWSF = Semantic Web Services Framework -
> http://www.daml.org/services/swsf/1.0/overview/
> --
>
>
> Nicolas F Rouquette wrote Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:57:35 -0700:
>
>> It might be good to have a planning discussion about this.
>>
>> There could be 3 options:
>>
>> 1) presentation of WSMO
>>
>> 2) presentation of SWSF
>>
>> 3) the practical and strategic aspects of using WSMO and/or SWSF, for
>> what, when, etc...
>>
>> Personally, 1) + 2) would be a weak approximation of the concerns
>> that arise w.r.t. 3), the "real" issue.
>> As I menitioned earlier, if you read some of the fine print in the
>> WSMO and SWSF docs, there is
>> important wisdom and caution that the people behind the spec believe
>> is important enough to
>> mention explicitly in these specs. However, it is difficult for
>> non-experts to have enough depth
>> about these related specs to make heads & tails of these bits and
>> pieces of wisdom to go through
>> a checklist of questions/answers to decide which of these approaches
>> is better suited to a given problem.
>>
>> I'm not saying we can expect magic answers but we could start to ask
>> the folks in WSMO and SWSF
>> to help us organize a discussion where we could start a simple
>> checklist of, say, the top ten questions
>> they would advise/recommend practitioners to think about in choosing
>> one vs. the other and some kind
>> of illustration/example to get an intuitive feel to relate these
>> questions to someone's own concerns/project/task/work...
>>
>> -- Nicolas.
>
>
>
>> Duane Nickull wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Peter, Nicolas.
>>>
>>> M. Yim, would you consider placing an subject on our next agenda to
>>> discuss a possible invitation to the gentlemen below to present to
>>> our Group?
>>>
>>> Duane
>>
>
>>> Peter F Brown wrote:
>>>
>>>> Duane:
>>>> WSMO was presented in detail last week at the W3 semantic web services
>>>> workshop in Innsbruck, Austria - WSMO's "home base", as it is largely
>>>> promoted by the Innsbruck-based Digital Enterprise Research Institute
>>>> (DERI), with considerable support from the European Commission.
>>>>
>>>> There is some concern about the pressure being mounted by DERI to
>>>> have WSMO
>>>> "adopted as a standard" (although not clear by whom: W3C?). The
>>>> European
>>>> Commission will be looking at this over the coming months.
>>>>
>>>> There is a good overview of WSMO at:
>>>> http://www.w3.org/2005/04/FSWS/Submissions/1/wsmo_v10.pdf used at the
>>>> workshop. It might be worth contacting John Domingue from the UK Open
>>>> University, who made the presentation, and with whom I had a couple
>>>> of bried
>>>> talks during the activity.
>>>>
>>>> -Peter
>>>
>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Duane
>>>> Nickull
>>>> Sent: 11 June 2005 01:18
>>>> To: [ontolog-forum]
>>>> Subject: [ontolog-forum] Modeling Ontology
>>>>
>>>> Anyone have any comments or thoughts on this:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.w3.org/Submission/2005/SUBM-WSMO-20050603/
>>>>
>>>> Might be an idea to extend an invite for a presentation.
>>>>
>>>> Duane Nickull
>>>
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