It would really be nice to have you at the "Service Sciences"
technical discussion session. Any chance you can call in (for the
2 hours) even when you are on the road, Duane? (01)
=ppy
-- (02)
Duane Nickull wrote Wed, 15 Jun 2005 17:57:32 -0700:
> Peter:
>
> I will be on tomorrow but absent from the next two due to travel
> (Geneva, Java One). Anyone else going to Java One June 27-30?
>
> Duane (03)
> Peter Yim wrote:
>
>> Our scheduled Technical Discussion for Thu 2005.06.30, moderated by
>> Bill McCarthy, is on the subject of "Service Sciences". That would be
>> an ideal platform to "discuss" this - WSMO & SWSF - if someone
>> attending the session can talk about it intelligently. Timing-wise, it
>> may be too soon, though.
>>
>> Do we have anyone who can do that, and is planning to come to the 6/30
>> session? Any suggestion?
>>
>> =ppy
>>
>> P.S. ... just helping keep track of the acronyms:
>>
>> WSMO = Web Service Modeling Ontology -
>> http://www.w3.org/Submission/2005/SUBM-WSMO-20050603/
>> http://www.w3.org/2005/04/FSWS/Submissions/1/wsmo_v10.pdf
>>
>> SWSF = Semantic Web Services Framework -
>> http://www.daml.org/services/swsf/1.0/overview/
>> --
>>
>>
>> Nicolas F Rouquette wrote Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:57:35 -0700:
>>
>>> It might be good to have a planning discussion about this.
>>>
>>> There could be 3 options:
>>>
>>> 1) presentation of WSMO
>>>
>>> 2) presentation of SWSF
>>>
>>> 3) the practical and strategic aspects of using WSMO and/or SWSF, for
>>> what, when, etc...
>>>
>>> Personally, 1) + 2) would be a weak approximation of the concerns
>>> that arise w.r.t. 3), the "real" issue.
>>> As I menitioned earlier, if you read some of the fine print in the
>>> WSMO and SWSF docs, there is
>>> important wisdom and caution that the people behind the spec believe
>>> is important enough to
>>> mention explicitly in these specs. However, it is difficult for
>>> non-experts to have enough depth
>>> about these related specs to make heads & tails of these bits and
>>> pieces of wisdom to go through
>>> a checklist of questions/answers to decide which of these approaches
>>> is better suited to a given problem.
>>>
>>> I'm not saying we can expect magic answers but we could start to ask
>>> the folks in WSMO and SWSF
>>> to help us organize a discussion where we could start a simple
>>> checklist of, say, the top ten questions
>>> they would advise/recommend practitioners to think about in choosing
>>> one vs. the other and some kind
>>> of illustration/example to get an intuitive feel to relate these
>>> questions to someone's own concerns/project/task/work...
>>>
>>> -- Nicolas.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Duane Nickull wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank you Peter, Nicolas.
>>>>
>>>> M. Yim, would you consider placing an subject on our next agenda to
>>>> discuss a possible invitation to the gentlemen below to present to
>>>> our Group?
>>>>
>>>> Duane
>>>
>>>
>>
>>>> Peter F Brown wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Duane:
>>>>> WSMO was presented in detail last week at the W3 semantic web services
>>>>> workshop in Innsbruck, Austria - WSMO's "home base", as it is largely
>>>>> promoted by the Innsbruck-based Digital Enterprise Research Institute
>>>>> (DERI), with considerable support from the European Commission.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is some concern about the pressure being mounted by DERI to
>>>>> have WSMO
>>>>> "adopted as a standard" (although not clear by whom: W3C?). The
>>>>> European
>>>>> Commission will be looking at this over the coming months.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is a good overview of WSMO at:
>>>>> http://www.w3.org/2005/04/FSWS/Submissions/1/wsmo_v10.pdf used at the
>>>>> workshop. It might be worth contacting John Domingue from the UK Open
>>>>> University, who made the presentation, and with whom I had a couple
>>>>> of bried
>>>>> talks during the activity.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Peter
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Duane
>>>>> Nickull
>>>>> Sent: 11 June 2005 01:18
>>>>> To: [ontolog-forum]
>>>>> Subject: [ontolog-forum] Modeling Ontology
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone have any comments or thoughts on this:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.w3.org/Submission/2005/SUBM-WSMO-20050603/
>>>>>
>>>>> Might be an idea to extend an invite for a presentation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Duane Nickull
>>>>
>>>>
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