I'll try. I know Bill well from various projects and admire his work.
My schedule has me traveling via Bart from downtown SF to SFO so there
is a chance if reception allows. (01)
Peter Yim wrote: (02)
> It would really be nice to have you at the "Service Sciences"
> technical discussion session. Any chance you can call in (for the 2
> hours) even when you are on the road, Duane?
>
> =ppy
> --
>
> Duane Nickull wrote Wed, 15 Jun 2005 17:57:32 -0700:
>
>> Peter:
>>
>> I will be on tomorrow but absent from the next two due to travel
>> (Geneva, Java One). Anyone else going to Java One June 27-30?
>>
>> Duane
>
>
>
>> Peter Yim wrote:
>>
>>> Our scheduled Technical Discussion for Thu 2005.06.30, moderated by
>>> Bill McCarthy, is on the subject of "Service Sciences". That would
>>> be an ideal platform to "discuss" this - WSMO & SWSF - if someone
>>> attending the session can talk about it intelligently. Timing-wise,
>>> it may be too soon, though.
>>>
>>> Do we have anyone who can do that, and is planning to come to the
>>> 6/30 session? Any suggestion?
>>>
>>> =ppy
>>>
>>> P.S. ... just helping keep track of the acronyms:
>>>
>>> WSMO = Web Service Modeling Ontology -
>>> http://www.w3.org/Submission/2005/SUBM-WSMO-20050603/
>>> http://www.w3.org/2005/04/FSWS/Submissions/1/wsmo_v10.pdf
>>>
>>> SWSF = Semantic Web Services Framework -
>>> http://www.daml.org/services/swsf/1.0/overview/
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> Nicolas F Rouquette wrote Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:57:35 -0700:
>>>
>>>> It might be good to have a planning discussion about this.
>>>>
>>>> There could be 3 options:
>>>>
>>>> 1) presentation of WSMO
>>>>
>>>> 2) presentation of SWSF
>>>>
>>>> 3) the practical and strategic aspects of using WSMO and/or SWSF,
>>>> for what, when, etc...
>>>>
>>>> Personally, 1) + 2) would be a weak approximation of the concerns
>>>> that arise w.r.t. 3), the "real" issue.
>>>> As I menitioned earlier, if you read some of the fine print in the
>>>> WSMO and SWSF docs, there is
>>>> important wisdom and caution that the people behind the spec
>>>> believe is important enough to
>>>> mention explicitly in these specs. However, it is difficult for
>>>> non-experts to have enough depth
>>>> about these related specs to make heads & tails of these bits and
>>>> pieces of wisdom to go through
>>>> a checklist of questions/answers to decide which of these
>>>> approaches is better suited to a given problem.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not saying we can expect magic answers but we could start to
>>>> ask the folks in WSMO and SWSF
>>>> to help us organize a discussion where we could start a simple
>>>> checklist of, say, the top ten questions
>>>> they would advise/recommend practitioners to think about in
>>>> choosing one vs. the other and some kind
>>>> of illustration/example to get an intuitive feel to relate these
>>>> questions to someone's own concerns/project/task/work...
>>>>
>>>> -- Nicolas.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Duane Nickull wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thank you Peter, Nicolas.
>>>>>
>>>>> M. Yim, would you consider placing an subject on our next agenda
>>>>> to discuss a possible invitation to the gentlemen below to present
>>>>> to our Group?
>>>>>
>>>>> Duane
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> Peter F Brown wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Duane:
>>>>>> WSMO was presented in detail last week at the W3 semantic web
>>>>>> services
>>>>>> workshop in Innsbruck, Austria - WSMO's "home base", as it is
>>>>>> largely
>>>>>> promoted by the Innsbruck-based Digital Enterprise Research
>>>>>> Institute
>>>>>> (DERI), with considerable support from the European Commission.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is some concern about the pressure being mounted by DERI to
>>>>>> have WSMO
>>>>>> "adopted as a standard" (although not clear by whom: W3C?). The
>>>>>> European
>>>>>> Commission will be looking at this over the coming months.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is a good overview of WSMO at:
>>>>>> http://www.w3.org/2005/04/FSWS/Submissions/1/wsmo_v10.pdf used at
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> workshop. It might be worth contacting John Domingue from the UK
>>>>>> Open
>>>>>> University, who made the presentation, and with whom I had a
>>>>>> couple of bried
>>>>>> talks during the activity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Peter
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
>>>>>> Duane Nickull
>>>>>> Sent: 11 June 2005 01:18
>>>>>> To: [ontolog-forum]
>>>>>> Subject: [ontolog-forum] Modeling Ontology
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone have any comments or thoughts on this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.w3.org/Submission/2005/SUBM-WSMO-20050603/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Might be an idea to extend an invite for a presentation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Duane Nickull
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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