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[ontolog-forum] [CCT-Rep] An Ontological Basis for ebXML Core Component

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From: Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 18:01:32 -0800
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Nenad,    (01)

 > I am copying on this message potentially interested parties at NIST
 > and OAG to consider participating in this new effort.    (02)

Wonderful! We welcome and look forward to their participation.    (03)

 > I suggest this title:
 > An Ontological Basis for ebXML Core Component Types    (04)

Great title. I didn't get back to you immediately, just to wait and 
see if people have other suggestions. Personally, I like yours, and 
have just updated the project page and mission statement to reflect 
the new title and the point about participation (below).    (05)

See updated title: 
http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?CctRepresentation#nid026    (06)

and Mission statement: 
http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?CctRepresentation#nid010    (07)

 > As we discussed, a wide range of participation, particularly from
 > the standards community that implemented the core component types
 > would be very critical.    (08)

Absolutely ... can't agree more!    (09)

All: keep suggestions and comments coming, please.    (010)

Regards,
PPY
--    (011)


Nenad Ivezic wrote Fri, 12 Mar 2004 08:23:50 -0500:
> Hi Peter:
> 
> I am copying on this message potentially interested parties at NIST and
> OAG to consider participating in this new effort.  I suggest this title
> 
> An Ontological Basis for ebXML Core Component Types
> 
> As we discussed, a wide range of participation, particularly from the
> standards community that implemented the core component types would be
> very critical.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> - Nenad
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter Yim
> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 9:46 PM
> To: ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Re: Modeling/formalizing representation of
> Core Component Types
> 
> Thanks to Pat Cassidy, Kurt Conrad, Nenad Ivezic, Tim McGrath, Bo 
> Newman, Adam Pease & Peter Yim who participated (and to Mark Crawford, 
> Monica Martin & Sue Probert who sent in their regrets - believe 
> they're all in Bonn now at the UN/CEFACT face-to-face meeting), we had 
> a most productive conference call, that lasted a little over 2 hours.
> 
> The proceedings is captured on at meeting wiki page at:
>   http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2004_03_11_CCT
> 
> We all agreed that there is good potential for using ontological 
> engineering methodologies to make a contribution here. Those at the 
> call decided to start a task force and a mini project to look further 
> into the matter. We will try to engage representatives from multiple 
> standards body that are involved, and will aim at producing a report 
> (over the next 3 months) on findings and recommendations on the 
> modeling/formalizing representation of the ebXML Core Component Types.
> 
> All: please continue the discourse on this thread. I'll be setting up 
> a project page on the wiki for this (shortly) too.
> 
> Thanks & regards.  -ppy
> --
> 
> 
> Peter Yim wrote Mon, 08 Mar 2004 12:04:55 -0800:
> 
> 
>>The subject is now confirmed.
>>
>>Time of call is: slot (d) Thu 11-Mar-2004 4:00pm California time.
> 
> Assume 
> 
>>approx 1.5~2.0 hours. 
>>
> 
> <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=11&month=3&yea
> r=2004&hour=16&min=0&sec=0&p1=224 
> 
>> >
>>
>>Please refer to the following wiki page to get ready for the call (the
> 
> 
>>same page will be used during the call too):
>>
> 
> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2004_03_11_CCT
> 
>>RSVP if you have not already done so.
>>
>>Regards.  -ppy
>>-- 
>>
>>Peter Yim wrote Wed, 03 Mar 2004 13:52:57 -0800:
>>
>>
>>>Based on the responses received, we are NOT going to have this call 
>>>tomorrow -- i.e. time slot (a): Thu 04-Mar-2004 3:00pm California
> 
> time.
> 
>>>Let's aim at doing it at time slot (d) Thu 11-Mar-2004 4:00pm 
>>>California time. Assume approx 1.5~2.0 hours for the call. I'd still 
>>>need responses from those who will be joining us (at this time slot.)
> 
> 
>>>I'll re-confirm once I've received enough responses.
>>>
>>>Thanks.  -ppy
>>>-- 
>>>
>>>Peter Yim wrote Wed, 03 Mar 2004 06:24:47 -0800:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Thank you, Pat, Sue and Tim for the quick response.
>>>>
>>>>Tim helped narrow it down to two immediate option. I'd personally 
>>>>prefer (a), but then (because of the immediacy) we would need to 
>>>>determine very quickly on whether or not that is viable. If we can't
> 
> 
>>>>make (a), I'd still hope we do it on (d).
>>>>
>>>> >> (a) Thu 04-Mar-2004 3:00pm California time (which would be 11 pm
> 
> in
> 
>>>> >> London; 7 am in West Australia, and 6 pm in New Jersey)
>>>> >> 
>>>>
> 
> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=4&month=3&year=
> 2004&hour=15&min=0&sec=0&p1=224 
> 
>>>> >>
>>>> >> (d) Thu 11-Mar-2004 4:00pm California time
>>>> >> 
>>>>
> 
> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=11&month=3&year
> =2004&hour=16&min=0&sec=0&p1=224 
> 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>It would be wonderful if we can hear from Adam, Kurt, Bill, Monica, 
>>>>Cecelia, Bo, Leo, (I would have included Monica and Bob too, but I 
>>>>know they are both out of the country) and anyone else who plan to 
>>>>participate, if you could make it to (a), if we do it then; and, 
>>>>would time slot (d) be ok with you.
>>>>
>>>>URGENT: I'd need to hear back within the next 7 hours (from the time
> 
> 
>>>>of this message), and if (a) is viable, I'll make the conference
> 
> call 
> 
>>>>reservations, and inform everyone within an hour of that closing
> 
> time.
> 
>>>>Thanks.  -ppy
>>>>-- 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Tim McGrath wrote Wed, 03 Mar 2004 15:33:05 +0800:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>not surprisingly i prefer option (d) - next friday morning to me.  
>>>>>but option (a) is OK if that is too far away.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>---
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Sue Probert wrote Wed, 3 Mar 2004 00:08:06 -0000:
>>>> > Hi Peter
>>>> >
>>>> > I am sorry but I cannot make any calls until mid March at the
> 
> very
> 
>>>> > earliest due to meeting commitments etc.
>>>> >
>>>> > regards
>>>> >
>>>> > Sue
>>>>---
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Patrick Cassidy wrote Tue, 02 Mar 2004 19:06:59 -0500:
>>>>
>>>> > Peter --
>>>> >   I can participate in any of those time slots.
>>>> >
>>>> >    Pat
>>>> > ----------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Peter Yim wrote Tue, 02 Mar 2004 11:22:59 -0800:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Sue & Tim,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Further to our discussion at the ubl-lcsc call this morning and 
>>>>>>earlier exchanges on the forum (ref. 
>>>>>>
> 
> http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum//cgi-bin/namazu.cgi?query=%2Bsubject%3Amod
> eling+core+component+types&submit=Search%21&idxname=ontolog-forum&max=10
> &result=normal&sort=date%3Alate), 
> 
>>>>>>I'd liked to schedule a conference call where either or both of
> 
> you 
> 
>>>>>>(in the same or a different session) bring those of us working on 
>>>>>>the ubl-ontology project, up to speed by providing context, status
> 
> 
>>>>>>and semantics for Core Component Types -- as a necessary step 
>>>>>>towards our developing an ontology on the CCT's  other CC's and 
>>>>>>eventually UBL.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Our first preference, in terms of timing, would be during our 
>>>>>>regular Thursday [ontolog] conference calls which starts 10:30am 
>>>>>>California time. (Tim did, and rightfully so, indicated that this 
>>>>>>is obviously not a good time for someone in West Australia,
> 
> because 
> 
>>>>>>that is 2:30am there.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This is important enough that I, for one, am open to all options.
> 
> I 
> 
>>>>>>would hope to see this happen sooner, rather than later.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Therefore, to get the ball rolling, let me start by suggesting a 
>>>>>>few time slots. Then will each of you, Sue and Tim, as well as 
>>>>>>interested members of the ubl-ontology team and the ontolog 
>>>>>>community, come back and indicate, which (hopefully all) of those 
>>>>>>slots would work for you. If none would, please give us 2 or 3 
>>>>>>slots in return, so that we can start over. Here goes (although 
>>>>>>given our geographic distribution, there is really no "ideal"
> 
> time):
> 
>>>>>>(a) Thu 04-Mar-2004 3:00pm California time (which would be 11 pm
> 
> in 
> 
>>>>>>London; 7 am in West Australia, and 6 pm in New Jersey)
>>>>>>
> 
> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=4&month=3&year=
> 2004&hour=15&min=0&sec=0&p1=224 
> 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>(b) Thu 11-Mar-2004 2:00pm California time
>>>>>>
> 
> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=11&month=3&year
> =2004&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=224 
> 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>(c) Thu 11-Mar-2004 3:00pm California time
>>>>>>
> 
> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=11&month=3&year
> =2004&hour=15&min=0&sec=0&p1=224 
> 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>(d) Thu 11-Mar-2004 4:00pm California time
>>>>>>
> 
> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=11&month=3&year
> =2004&hour=16&min=0&sec=0&p1=224 
> 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This is important to our ubl-ontology work. Ontolog participants, 
>>>>>>please make your best attempt to participate, and please so 
>>>>>>indicate, in order that we can make our best effort to accomodate 
>>>>>>everyone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks & regards.  -ppy
>>>>>>-- 
>>
>>
>>
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