Dear John,
You wrote:
JFS: If that's what you believe,
you have totally misunderstood Dan A's lecture. He was trying to make the
point that *all of us* have the *same kind* of biases in how we interpret our
experiences.
I didn't say otherwise. DA's work is on finding
common behavior in situations under various stresses. I didn't say
otherwise.
But notice the subject line: this is on conversational
interfaces based on ontologies. One possible ontology would be to encode
the knowledge DA describes here, and in his other videos and books, to model
human behavior.
The differences people have in perception, and the differences
in their situations even when you think the situations are the same, are
reality.
Sincerely,
Rich
Cooper,
Rich Cooper,
Chief Technology Officer,
MetaSemantics Corporation
MetaSemantics AT EnglishLogicKernel DOT com
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Bruce and Rich,
Bruce
> If I have to remember every word that creates
confusion or arguments,
> I’m gonna be a basket case.
There is no need to remember anything. I'm just
drawing attention to the fact that this thread has been getting tied up in
knots by vague words whose meanings shift with every note.
And my suggestion is very modest: replace the vague
words with concrete words. The criteria are simple: If you can
explain the word to a bright 10-year-old child, it's a good concrete word.
If you can explain it to a 6-year-old child, it's even
better.
But if you can't find two PhD philosophers who agree on
the definition, it's a very bad word.
Rich
> since you don't like the word "world",
let's not put in any
> substitution at all for the main point: its "objective
reality" we should put there:
No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That is the diametric *opposite* of what I'm
recommending.
Peirce's pragmatism: The meaning of any concept is
grounded in the "twin gates" of perception and purposive action.
Try explaining the terms 'objective' and 'reality' to
(a) a 10-year-old, (b) a 6-year-old, and (c) a
philosopher.
See what happens.
> we have become more and more biased in our
particularly chosen
> directions.
No. If that's what you believe, you have totally
misunderstood Dan A's lecture. He was trying to make the point that *all
of us* have the *same kind* of biases in how we interpret our experiences.
Those biases are hardwired in our brains (and the brains
of all our mammalian relatives) because they help us focus on aspects of
experience that are important for survival. Unfortunately, those biases
can often divert attention from other aspects that might be important for other
reasons. Go listen to Dan A's talk and take notes (or to other talks by
him on the same YouTube page).
To return to the earlier point:
JFS
> One of the few instances in which Dan A. says
"the world" could be
> replaced by the phrase "planet earth"
without changing the point:
> "Much of our experience of the world comes from
inside our brains."
RC
> I don't particularly like stipulating that
"planet earth" captures the
> concept.
I certainly agree that the phrase 'planet earth' does not
capture what you mean by 'world'. There is *no* precise term that can
exactly replace a hopelessly vague term.
But what I do claim is that when Dan A. said "the
world", he was talking about the physical environment that all human
beings are living in. The replacement 'planet earth' is the simplest
phrase that comes close to that meaning.
John
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