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Re: [ontolog-forum] Ontology based conversational interfaces

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From: "Rich Cooper" <metasemantics@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2015 14:03:10 -0700
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Dan Ariely is a Duke Prof who explains the evidence about how people make decisions under various conditions.  This is  his talk:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGL_CWHP78Y

 

So it would seem that knowing these details, one could write a requirements doc about how the conversational interface would help people deal with these tendencies. 

 

Sincerely,

Rich Cooper,

Rich Cooper,

 

Chief Technology Officer,

MetaSemantics Corporation

MetaSemantics AT EnglishLogicKernel DOT com

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http://www.EnglishLogicKernel.com

 

From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rich Cooper
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2015 1:19 PM
To: '[ontolog-forum] '
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Ontology based conversational interfaces

 

OK, John,

 

That's a constructive suggestion you made:

 

JFS: One of the few instances in which he says "the world" could be replaced by the phrase "planet earth" without changing the point:

 

    "Much of our experience of the world comes from inside our brains."

 

I don't particularly like stipulating that "planet earth" captures the concept, but since you don't like the word "world", let's not put in any substitution at all for the main point: its "objective reality" we should put there:

 

    "Much of our experience of objective reality comes from inside our brains."

 

Perhaps that will fly.  Is it OK with you?  Does anyone else object to the verbalities?

 

It's a reference to the stored experiences of reality, in our memories, from deep within our earliest sensations, which were the closest we could ever get to objective reality, until now.  In the duration, we have become more and more biased in our particularly chosen directions. 

 

Sincerely,

Rich Cooper,

Rich Cooper,

 

Chief Technology Officer,

MetaSemantics Corporation

MetaSemantics AT EnglishLogicKernel DOT com

( 9 4 9 ) 5 2 5-5 7 1 2

http://www.EnglishLogicKernel.com

-----Original Message-----
From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John F Sowa
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2015 12:36 PM
To: ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Ontology based conversational interfaces

 

Bruce, Ed, and Rich,

 

Many years ago, I learned that if some word is a cause of many confused and confusing arguments, it's a good idea to *banish* that word from the discussion.

 

Bruce

> What is common, what is world?  That, too, is a matter of stipulation

> and agreement.

 

Yes, indeed.  For that matter, the *only* precise meaning for the word is "planet earth".  Everything else is an extended use or metaphor that varies from one context to another.

 

Recommendation:  In every occurrence of that word in this thread, replace the word 'world' with a word or phrase with a narrower meaning.  If you mean planet earth, say so.  If you mean world view (or German Weltanschauung) say so.

 

Ed

> U.S. Republicans and Democrats, like the political parties of other

> major “democracies”, must agree on a “common world”

> (universe of discourse) in order to communicate and legislate.

 

Politics is an example where a huge number of problems are created by the choice of words.  All the parties could agree much more quickly if they avoided words such as 'freedom', 'amnesty', 'religion', 'conservative', 'liberal', 'socialist', 'extremist'...

 

Successful politicians are not stupid.  They don't use those words when they're talking one-to-one with no cameras around.  But as soon as the cameras are turned on, the discussion turns to mush.

 

Rich

> Dan Ariely explains some of the reasons why we see different worlds:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Y0w5EJC9o0

 

That's a good talk.  But Dan A. does *not* use the word 'world'.

I took some notes, and he uses narrow, precise terms:

 

    "How would you design an experiment?"

    "How do you classify experience?"

    "The brain is filtering information in a biased way."

 

One of the few instances in which he says "the world" could be replaced by the phrase "planet earth" without changing the point:

 

    "Much of our experience of the world comes from inside our brains."

 

Recommendation to Rich:  You have been creating a huge amount of confusion in this thread by using the word 'world' in a hopelessly vague way.  If you want to continue discussing the topics in this thread, please *stop* using that word.

 

If you need help, go back to Dan A's talk and take notes on which words he uses.

 

John

 

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