Dear John,
You wrote:
JFS: If that's what you believe, you have totally
misunderstood Dan A's lecture. He was trying to make the point that *all
of us* have the *same kind* of biases in how we interpret our experiences.
I didn't say otherwise. DA's work is on finding common behavior in
situations under various stresses. I didn't say otherwise.
But notice the subject line: this is on conversational interfaces based on
ontologies. One possible ontology would be to encode the knowledge DA
describes here, and in his other videos and books, to model human
behavior.
The differences people have in perception, and the differences in their
situations even when you think the situations are the same, are reality.
Sincerely,
Rich Cooper,
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Bruce and Rich,
Bruce
> If I have to remember every word that creates confusion or arguments,
> I’m gonna be a basket case.
There is no need to remember anything. I'm just drawing attention to
the fact that this thread has been getting tied up in knots by vague words
whose meanings shift with every note.
And my suggestion is very modest: replace the vague words with
concrete words. The criteria are simple: If you can explain the
word to a bright 10-year-old child, it's a good concrete word.
If you can explain it to a 6-year-old child, it's even better.
But if you can't find two PhD philosophers who agree on the definition, it's
a very bad word.
Rich
> since you don't like the word "world", let's not put in any
> substitution at all for the main point: its "objective
reality" we should put there:
No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That is the diametric *opposite* of what I'm recommending.
Peirce's pragmatism: The meaning of any concept is grounded in the
"twin gates" of perception and purposive action.
Try explaining the terms 'objective' and 'reality' to
(a) a 10-year-old, (b) a 6-year-old, and (c) a philosopher.
See what happens.
> we have become more and more biased in our particularly chosen
> directions.
No. If that's what you believe, you have totally misunderstood Dan A's
lecture. He was trying to make the point that *all of us* have the *same
kind* of biases in how we interpret our experiences.
Those biases are hardwired in our brains (and the brains of all our
mammalian relatives) because they help us focus on aspects of experience that
are important for survival. Unfortunately, those biases can often divert
attention from other aspects that might be important for other reasons.
Go listen to Dan A's talk and take notes (or to other talks by him on the same
YouTube page).
To return to the earlier point:
JFS
> One of the few instances in which Dan A. says "the world"
could be
> replaced by the phrase "planet earth" without changing the
point:
> "Much of our experience of the world comes from inside our
brains."
RC
> I don't particularly like stipulating that "planet earth"
captures the
> concept.
I certainly agree that the phrase 'planet earth' does not capture what you
mean by 'world'. There is *no* precise term that can exactly replace a
hopelessly vague term.
But what I do claim is that when Dan A. said "the world", he was
talking about the physical environment that all human beings are living
in. The replacement 'planet earth' is the simplest phrase that comes
close to that meaning.
John
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