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Re: [ontolog-forum] What the difference re., Data Dictionary, Ontology,

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From: "Rich Cooper" <rich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 18:07:34 -0800
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Dear David and Kingsley,


David wrote:

Understanding language & meaning across Silos would be an extremely useful application for Ontologies if they can be commercialized.


But as you noted, the data is the only available view, with or without ontologies.  Adding ontologies to still the Babel of the silos could be the challenge task for some prize or other, comparable to Turing’s challenge, but likely at least somewhat less difficult since the data is already in tables. 





Rich Cooper


Rich AT EnglishLogicKernel DOT com

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Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] What the difference re., Data Dictionary,Ontology, and Vocabulary?


Kingsley -


On Feb 14, 2014, at 7:47 PM, Kingsley Idehen wrote:

I have spent more than 20+ years of total dedication to making new and emerging technologies work with existing (so called legacy) systems. I founded OpenLink Software to enable integration of data across artificial data silos, created by *myopic* applications. 


But that's the DATA the systems produce.



I trying to talk about the SYSTEMS, that produce the data.


The SYSTEMS & the DATA are not the same thing.



The SYSTEMS are the machine tools that produce the end product, DATA.



I am reminded of wisdom from the 1840s when industrial America was learning how to make things.  It was noticed that building quality into the manufacturing process is far more efficient than inspecting defects out.


Just handling the data—the manufactured product—is an exercise in futility until a firm understanding of the upstream manufacturing process is fully understood.


If one doesn't know which systems, programs, logic, data structures & rules are producing the data, how will one know when the data suddenly changes?



The sort of data dictionary product I'm talking of—decidedly not a list of data elements—enables organizations to do impact analysis—what's connected to what—so that we're not constantly repairing down-stream errors.





integration of data across artificial data silos,


Integration is not possible with silos.  You mean interoperable.  There's a huge difference.


Integration is possible when one is in command, owns the budget & has a blank sheet of paper, otherwise the only option is interoperability.



The silos are not necessarily artificial.  They were built that way for valid reasons... available skills, limits of technology, budget, vision, deadlines, organizational boundaries, etc.


Silos are a complex reality we're going to have to learn to deal with... as John Sowa points out, these systems are going to be with us for decades.




Understanding language & meaning across Silos would be an extremely useful application for Ontologies if they can be commercialized.


David Eddy
Babson Park, MA



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