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Re: [ontolog-forum] What the difference re., Data Dictionary, Ontology,

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From: Ken Laskey <klaskey@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 11:04:15 -0500
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Let me bring in a couple examples from non experts and see whether we can apply the debated definitions to clarifying the real world.

When I am presented with what someone is calling an “ontology”, I often ask whether it is meant for representation or reasoning.  Often, the formalism of choice is UML.  Sometimes the UML tries to exhaustively capture relationships, cardinalities, … and sometimes there is a lonely class diagram with a self-referencing “uses” followed by a page of text.  Both of these can provide a level of representation but little, if any, automated reasoning.

Where does this range of UML models fit?  How can we make that clear to the corresponding practitioners without turning them into experts or berating them for not being experts.

Ken

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On Feb 14, 2014, at 8:19 PM, David Eddy <deddy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Kingsley -

On Feb 14, 2014, at 7:47 PM, Kingsley Idehen wrote:

I have spent more than 20+ years of total dedication to making new and emerging technologies work with existing (so called legacy) systems. I founded OpenLink Software to enable integration of data across artificial data silos, created by *myopic* applications. 

But that's the DATA the systems produce.


I trying to talk about the SYSTEMS, that produce the data.

The SYSTEMS & the DATA are not the same thing.


The SYSTEMS are the machine tools that produce the end product, DATA.


I am reminded of wisdom from the 1840s when industrial America was learning how to make things.  It was noticed that building quality into the manufacturing process is far more efficient than inspecting defects out.

Just handling the data—the manufactured product—is an exercise in futility until a firm understanding of the upstream manufacturing process is fully understood.

If one doesn't know which systems, programs, logic, data structures & rules are producing the data, how will one know when the data suddenly changes?


The sort of data dictionary product I'm talking of—decidedly not a list of data elements—enables organizations to do impact analysis—what's connected to what—so that we're not constantly repairing down-stream errors.




integration of data across artificial data silos,

Integration is not possible with silos.  You mean interoperable.  There's a huge difference.

Integration is possible when one is in command, owns the budget & has a blank sheet of paper, otherwise the only option is interoperability.


The silos are not necessarily artificial.  They were built that way for valid reasons... available skills, limits of technology, budget, vision, deadlines, organizational boundaries, etc.

Silos are a complex reality we're going to have to learn to deal with... as John Sowa points out, these systems are going to be with us for decades.



Understanding language & meaning across Silos would be an extremely useful application for Ontologies if they can be commercialized.

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