Hi Marcos, thank you for your reply. I've skimmed the links and
sadly you're right, no ontologies can be found there. Though
informative, these projects seem unresponsive to the frustrations
I've openly perhaps perilously expressed. And thanks for the
wikipedia link - good place to start for someone tracking down a
PII-related ontology (Personally Identifiable Information) and or
for developing a list of functional requirements for such an
ontology.
Nice to hear in yesterday's concall that Ontolog now has over 1000
members.
regards/jmc
On 1/17/2014 11:44 AM, Osorno, Marcos
wrote:
Dear John, et al.,
I imagine that we are all constrained in what we can and
choose to share to some degree: some by corporate NDAs, some by
government restrictions, and others by not wanting to reveal too
much about their research until their papers and posters are
accepted for publication and presentation. Some are probably
absent due to personality or might be self-conscious about
posting on this list.
I would propose TAXII and related family of products: http://taxii.mitre.org/ as
an example of government-private collaboration. The schemas are
public, the discussion is in the open, and the repositories are
on Github. TAXII serves to help share structured information
security data. While the bigger associated projects (STIX,
CYBOX, MAEC, etc) use XSD schemas, the community is active in
talking about concepts and representation challenges similar to
what we discuss here. There is a small subset interested in
creating OWL/RDF or CL versions of these standards, but that
effort has not gotten a full head of steam. Most of those
working with TAXII and the associated projects are information
security experts, developers, or DBMs. We would welcome the
contribution of ontologists and knowledge representation
experts. There are other efforts at least within DHS working to
contribute back to the community. On each of those pages you'll see links to discussion forums,
documentation, and software repositories.
Given that this is an ontology and not policy or politics
mailing list, I propose we refocus off of geopolitics and onto
how one reifies and projects onto our models the concepts of
privacy, data ownership, information transfer in a way that
still allows our systems to reason using privacy-preserving
approaches.
Cheers,
Marcos
As a followup thought, I'd like to share an expectation
I've had for the year or so since I joined this list, one
unclear can ever materialize. I have no doubt
representatives of the National Security community are on
this list (rightly and appreciatively so) and, knowing
personally about the levels of funding drenching that
community for the past dozen years, I wanted to be aware
of the 'give back' that community would now provide to
open citizenry, its direct investors and clearly its most
primary stakeholders. So I want to ask in a general way,
what ontologies have been developed by this
community, what can be shared, with us? Anything about
privacy (asked with no tongue in cheek)?
Even more pointedly is that the National Institute for
Standards & Technology should have an inventory of the
ontologies (being) developed in-house to all government
agencies. Why do I sense this level of information,
integration and facilitation, is simply absent from the
work here?
This site is beginning to seem a bit like a charade to me.
( charade: an absurd pretense intended to
create a pleasant or respectable appearance). I'd
rather that not be the case for many many reasons. Thanks
for any response/jmc
On 1/17/2014 10:21 AM, John
McClure wrote:
On 1/17/2014 9:42 AM, Kingsley Idehen wrote:
All isn't over, I am pretty confident about that, as
long as humans are involved. Folks just need to wake
up!
So true and I think an effective contribution would be
to create an Ontolog-branded ontology for Privacy.
I'm hearing people talk about two different kinds of
Privacy. One concerns information NOT communicated to
another -- implanted bugs and a personal journal are
mentioned -- for which there is a presumptive
expectation of non-disclosure byf its owner. This type
of privacy out of scope on this forum in my opinion, as
valid and important as it most definitely is, because
otherwise we may walk into a cul-de-sac that turns
people here off. More fruitful would be to develop a
mechanism that promotes
transparency and accountability when data owners'
stated privacy expectations are not met by those with
whom the data owner has communicated the protected
information.
An ontology for representing those expectations seems
appropriately calibrated to the mission of Ontolog.net.
One that can be referenced within this text:
Facebook Term of Service (emphasis
added)
"You own all of the content and information you
post on Facebook, and you can control how it is
shared through your
privacy
and
application settings.
In addition: For content that is covered by
intellectual property rights, like photos and videos
(IP content), you specifically give us the following
permission, subject to your
privacy
and
application settings: you grant us a
non-exclusive, transferable, sub-licensable,
royalty-free, worldwide license to use any IP content
that you post on or in connection with Facebook (IP
License).
The present situation is like the dawn of telephony --
we're all talking on a party-line, with zero expectation
of privacy, now it's time to create an SS7 protocol for
the Internet, if you will. In the meantime, I'll leave
hardware matters to others who have more sway than the
soapbox we have here.
/jmc
_________________________________________________________________
Message Archives: http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/
Config Subscr: http://ontolog.cim3.net/mailman/listinfo/ontolog-forum/
Unsubscribe: mailto:ontolog-forum-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Shared Files: http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/
Community Wiki: http://ontolog.cim3.net/wiki/
To join: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WikiHomePage#nid1J
_________________________________________________________________
Message Archives: http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/
Config Subscr: http://ontolog.cim3.net/mailman/listinfo/ontolog-forum/
Unsubscribe: mailto:ontolog-forum-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Shared Files: http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/
Community Wiki: http://ontolog.cim3.net/wiki/
To join: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WikiHomePage#nid1J
|
_________________________________________________________________
Message Archives: http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/
Config Subscr: http://ontolog.cim3.net/mailman/listinfo/ontolog-forum/
Unsubscribe: mailto:ontolog-forum-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Shared Files: http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/
Community Wiki: http://ontolog.cim3.net/wiki/
To join: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WikiHomePage#nid1J (01)
|