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Re: [ontolog-forum] Universal Basic Semantic Structures

To: "'Obrst, Leo J.'" <lobrst@xxxxxxxxx>, "'[ontolog-forum] '" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
From: "Rich Cooper" <rich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 15:15:55 -0700
Message-id: <6919F74B9991435596A463DE945D06F7@Gateway>

Thanks for the links; I'll review them when I get done with some pressing current business.  In particular, the title of the link:

 

Bittner, Thomas; Barry Smith; Maureen Donnelly. 2007. The Logic of Systems of Granular Partitions.  Manuscript. http://ontology.buffalo.edu/smith/articles/BittnerSmithDonnelly.pdf.

 

Is an especially interesting one.  I used partitions based on context functions in my patent 7,209,923 as a method of classification. 

 

-Rich

 

Sincerely,

Rich Cooper

EnglishLogicKernel.com

Rich AT EnglishLogicKernel DOT com

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-----Original Message-----
From: Obrst, Leo J. [mailto:lobrst@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 1:53 PM
To: [ontolog-forum] ; Rich Cooper
Subject: RE: [ontolog-forum] Universal Basic Semantic Structures

 

That's why I mentioned mereotopology. It's just one more tool. And there are indeed theories of granular partitions:

 

Bittner, Thomas; Barry Smith. 2001. A unified theory of granularity, vagueness and approximation. In: Proc. of the 1st Workshop on Spatial Vagueness, Uncertainty, and Granularity (SVUG01). http://www.cs.northwestern.edu/~bittner/BittnerSmithSVUG01.pdf.

 

Bittner, Thomas; Barry Smith; Maureen Donnelly. 2007. The Logic of Systems of Granular Partitions.  Manuscript. http://ontology.buffalo.edu/smith/articles/BittnerSmithDonnelly.pdf.

 

Bittner, Thomas, and Barry Smith. 2003. A Theory of Granular Partitions.  In: Foundations of Geographic Information Science,  M. Duckham, M. F. Goodchild and M. F. Worboys, eds., London: Taylor & Francis Books, 2003, 117-151.

 

Thanks,

Leo

 

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>To: [ontolog-forum] ; Rich Cooper

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>Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Universal Basic Semantic Structures

> 

>Hi,

> 

>discrete mereology is the simplest flat collection theory. I inform

>the list of a new article by Rom Harré: Behind the mereological

>fallacy. Philosophy, 87(341):329–352, 2012.

> 

>According to Harre p351-2 mereology’s lack of the ability to model

>contexts has led to mereological fallacies, where contexts are

>confusingly mixed:

>“the brain is not a part of a person in the way that a grain of sand

>is part of a beach. It is part of a person’s body and a person’s body

>is not a part of that person in the relevant sense.” In contrast, when

>a granular theory is used as a foundation of ‘part’, this

>automatically makes the user to think more

>carefully about the context under which the term ‘part’ is used: some

>parts are flat, some are granular.

> 

>Granular theories of course do not solve all problems, but they are an

>advancement.

> 

>-Avril

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

>Quoting "Rich Cooper" <rich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:

> 

>> John Sowa wrote:

>> 

>> The fundamental principle is that there is a

>> reason for every

>> 

>> distinction.  Those reasons are fundamental to

>> ontology.  Mereology

>> 

>> is useful.  But the hope that it might provide

>> "objective" criteria

>> 

>> for ontology is a fantasy -- an extremely

>> *misleading* fantasy.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> John

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Agreed; it is the observer who decides what

>> distinctions to apply, and that makes the

>> observer's subjective ontology the appropriate one

>> to use, not some so-called "objective" ontology.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Even worse, no two people use exactly the same

>> ontology, which is one of those things that make

>> interpersonal communications so very faulty.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> -Rich

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Sincerely,

>> 

>> Rich Cooper

>> 

>> EnglishLogicKernel.com

>> 

>> Rich AT EnglishLogicKernel DOT com

>> 

>> 9 4 9 \ 5 2 5 - 5 7 1 2

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

>> [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On

>> Behalf Of John F Sowa

>> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 7:29 AM

>> To: ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

>> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Universal Basic

>> Semantic Structures

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> On 9/26/2012 9:16 AM, Obrst, Leo J. wrote:

>> 

>>> Then you agree with the author of the second

>> paper?

>> 

>>> 

>> 

>>> Robinson, Edward Heath. 2012. Reexamining fiat,

>> bona fide

>> 

>>> and force dynamic boundaries for geopolitical

>> entities and

>> 

>>> their placement in DOLCE. Applied Ontology 7

>> (2012),

>> 

>>> pp. 93-108, DOI 10.3233/AO-2012-0103, IOS Press.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> I haven't had a chance to read that paper.  But I

>> objected to the

>> 

>> distinction of fiat vs. natural boundaries as soon

>> as it was published.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> In physics, everything is continuous.   Some

>> gradients are sharper

>> 

>> than others, but nothing in nature has a clearly

>> defined or definable

>> 

>> 0-thickness boundary.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Just consider the human body. The boundary changes

>> every time somebody

>> 

>> gets a hair cut, clips fingernails, takes a bath,

>> puts on make-up,

>> 

>> removes contact lenses, or sheds a few skin cells.

>> For legal purposes,

>> 

>> even clothing is considered within the body's

>> boundary.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> If you admit clothing, you have to ask about the

>> difference between

>> 

>> a wallet in somebody's pocket vs. a purse carried

>> outside the boundary

>> 

>> of the clothing.  What about a necklace that might

>> be partly under

>> 

>> the clothing and partly outside?   What about a

>> backpack?  If you admit

>> 

>> a backpack, what about a suitcase that somebody is

>> carrying.  If you

>> 

>> admit that, what about a cane? Crutches?  A

>> walker?  A wheelchair?

>> 

>> A seeing-eye dog?

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> The fundamental principle is that there is a

>> reason for every

>> 

>> distinction.  Those reasons are fundamental to

>> ontology.  Mereology

>> 

>> is useful.  But the hope that it might provide

>> "objective" criteria

>> 

>> for ontology is a fantasy -- an extremely

>> *misleading* fantasy.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> John

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

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